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There are some people here that I'm convinced are actually just insane.

Anyway, vote if you want, don't if you don't want. Someone talks about Grand Turismo being an amazing game, but I get bored of the game within 5 minutes. I won't vote on it, but if I did, think it's going to get that 9.9 you think it earns? Same with FFVII, which I would probably just give a 7 to.

Is it possible that people are being retarded and voting up/down unnecessarily? Yep, it's the problem with the internet. But what if someone thinks Mario 64 is actually only a Meh game worth a 3 or 4? They can hate it, if you love it. Same with Halo 2, or anything else.

Why the Nintendo games doing best? I'd agree it's most people grew up with them. I did. I have a fondness in my heart for some of the games, and still enjoy them today.



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I think that the order of games should really be done on sales, and the user score just added, but not particularly important, I mean it is a sales website after all.

@Fuzzmosis, I guess your annoyance with GT3 is just because you have a difference taste in games, which is why average user scores is a pretty bad idea, because they are affected by extreme values, what would be much better is to take the review score from a reputable rating site, and say, make that score worth 50% of the vote, so therefore the user scores still make a difference, but not as much. Also I am incredibly confused as to why there are so many NES/SNES games so high up, I know they were great in their time, but surely they can't be *that* great now. I guess it must be something to do with nostalgia, perhaps I'm too young to understand it, as the only thing I would say I have nostalgia for are the Pokemon games for GBC & GBA, ie Red and Gold.



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The sad thing is it's not just Nintendo fans. The fact that not a single game on there can break an 8.5 due to bad score trolling (and from the general attitudes of people on here it's pretty obvious who it is) is sad. It's okay to have user scores but can we have gamerankings scores too so that people who aren't familiar with the games won't think they deserve these scores due to fanboy trolling?



User scores just aren't going to work on this site, it's too easy to vote (and vote multiple times no less). If you had to accompany each score with a written review that had to go through a mod first before approval, then maybe it'd work out a bit better. As is, they should just be removed.

As I said previously, the main reason there are more Nintendo fans on this site is because both Nintendo systems are selling well so it's basically all good news here for them.



yeah, it's a "problem with the internet", but it doesn't mean we can't come up with improved protocols with fan voting.

i believe that it has to do with hate voting, which belongs to the almost universal problem of accountability, which is something that can be improved here.

the top 13 top rating games are on nintendo platforms. as an objective viewer, i find it hard to believe that during 10 years of playstation dominance this to be the case.

maybe people do enjoy games on nintendo platform most (i know i do), or it could just be a systematic bias of viewers to this site, but i would look at those with a grain of salt until i know there are some kind of measures taken to assure me these are numbers i can put some amount of faith in.

i'm also surprised to see the likes of zelda or mario get scores in the mid-8's, which is low compared to reviews. that's an additional reason i wonder if there's hate voting going on.



the Wii is an epidemic.

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rocketpig said:
You know there's something wrong with the voting process when Sonic & The Secret Rings (7.8) gets a better ranking than Halo 2 (7.5).

That's just rabid fanboyism. While many of you may not like Halo, you have to admit that it's a solid game at least. While the Secret Rings was... Um, "not solid", to put it nicely. Yet the Wii factor shoots this game near Forza 2 in ratings and nearly as high as any 360 game released to date. Crap, Sonic beat out Gears, too. That's just DUMB. I also like how there are 54 votes on Blue Dragon. I bet less than 3 people on this site have even PLAYED that game yet.

That's ridiculous. I doubt I'll ever head into the games section of this site again. Users have turned a neat addition into a completely useless waste of my time. Bravo, chaps. Hope you're pleased with yourselves.

I totally agree, it's embarrasing and it isn't constructive.

Every site I go to -- Digg, VGChartz, Kotaku -- is littered with questions on this topic. "Why are there so many Nintendo fans?" And the answer is obvious, I think: it's the same reason the web was littered with Sony fans last generation. It's fun to talk about the console wars when your preferred console is dominating. It's not so fun to talk about the video game wars when your console is losing.

In short, the Playstation and Xbox fans are still around, they're just not posting on forums like this one. It's really a very logical process, frankly: many people treat this as a sport (My side is winning!) and the fairweather fans for Sony have gone home.

The solution to this problem is to stop treating this like a sport -- stop hammering every PS/Xbox owner with hundreds of replies whenever they dare to defend their preferred console, stop voting out Sony/Microsoft media whenever "Elimination games" start, and stop voting down the user reviews on  games for the other consoles (as Rocketpig noted, it's particularly the good games on the other consoles that tend to get voted down so much). I know it feels good to win; I've certainly felt it myself. But it's simply not constructive to the site, and if we keep it up for too long, all the PS3/360 fans will simply go away. Even for those who treat this like a sport, that's bad: it's not neraly as satifsfying to win when your competition simply doesn't show up. 

 



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Yep, I'm aware I'm not the target audience for Gran Turismo. The target audience likes holding X and turning left in a video game with nice shiny cars. So, I don't vote. Definate over simplification, but fun to say sometimes.

Besides, after 10 years of Playstation dominance in hardware, does this instantly mean that all of the greatest games were on that system? Nights, which I hadn't even heard of till people began salivating over a potential Wii Version, is extremely high ranked and it's on a system that most people didn't play. Somehow, selling the most hardware instantly gives you the best software?



See Ya George.

"He did not die - He passed Away"

At least following a comedians own jokes makes his death easier.

hehe, here's a thought.

modified score formula, idea: re-weight each person's vote by giving less weight to groups who vote more often than minority groups.

to completely automate this, a first iteration could go something like this. group voters into nintendo/xbox/ps/sega whatever "supporters". count voters in each category (they can overlap). reweight votes by say a log function. example:

1000 nintendo supporters, 100 ps supporters, 50 xbox supporters.
average score for gran taurismo:
nintendo supporters ratings: 5.0
ps supporters ratings: 9.0
xbox supporters ratings: 7.0

as it stands, the average score would be 5000+900+350/1150 = 5.44

if you re-weight (or "normalize") them:
5.0 * log 1000 + 9.0 * log 100 + 7.0 * log 50 / (log 1000 + log 100 + log 50) = 6.7
taking instead of base 10 take natural log.

which, is more respectable.

of course, if given a good nintendo game, the score would go down much faster if PS fans decides to hate vote.

the hard part would be the "categorization" part. but it's still pretty easy for a cursory implementation.

so, not that hard to implement, and the results would be very, very interesting. you can even derive a "bias" measure(ment) using the difference above. the greater the difference between re-weighted score and raw score, the greater tha bias.



the Wii is an epidemic.

of course, to account for "hate votes" or "uber fan votes", one can just decide to cut off the outliers, say those that are 2 standard deviations off. that would be extremely easy to implement.



the Wii is an epidemic.

Bodhesatva said:

Every site I go to -- Digg, VGChartz, Kotaku -- is littered with questions on this topic. "Why are there so many Nintendo fans?" And the answer is obvious, I think: it's the same reason the web was littered with Sony fans last generation. It's fun to talk about the console wars when your preferred console is dominating. It's not so fun to talk about the video game wars when your console is losing.

 


Are you sure about Digg and Kotaku?  I've never seen the question asked there "Why are there so many Nintendo fans?".