Oh come on. Hardcore games are (usually) overly violent or very old skool anway. Re4, No More heroes, and metal slug anthology are all beyond a shadow of a doubt hardcore. Twilight princess is arguably hardcore. Beyond that, there are many great core games- Zack and Wiki, SMG, Smash Bros brawl, Animal Crossing, Litte King's story, Wario Land Shake it, Pikmin 3, Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the new World... there is a good reason to buy a Wii, especially when you consider how good it is with friends/ladies. The probelm is that it is no longer focused on core Nintendo fans, and while these fans, are still included in the Wii expeirnce, they are not the foucs, and may feel betrayed/left out. (Though in reality they are not, Nintendo is putting out the games, its just not paying alot of media attention to these loyal fans)

That is unfair. You are using raw logic. Logic in internet forums is just a way to say you are smarter than others. And by that I mean logic and rhetoric are the same thing on the internet.

While I don't approve of madkiller's method of discussion, I agree with him on one point: it sure seems like nintendo fans are unable to see any single fault in the company.

What is announced next? Wii music, animal crossing, wii jump, new wii-bino (binoculars peripheral)

Typical nintendo fan: "but I'm sure it will be fun"

That E3 really sounded like nintendo really wanted to care for the casual gamer and they just threw a bone (pikimin) to the nintendocore because they were starting to complain and not a single nintendo fan finds fault with it. Its funny because I'll probably be reading another thread by Rolstoppable doubting nintendo again while he returns to defend them like he makes a profit form the company yet again!

I'm a hardcore sony fan and defend them often but I don't forget to point out their mistakes as well. I'll be the first to tell you that they're the shadow of their former selves this gen. However, if it got to a point when I could see no future sticking with them, I'll gladly rest my allegiance. I've posted it before and I'll reiterate many nintendo fans "loyalty" is just amazing!

Interesting argument, except it is highly flawed. And it is real mature of you to say that "I'm still correct and you're still wrong." One thing I don't understand is why everyone on this site gangs up on anyone that is not happy with Nintendo. It is really childish and immature of ALL of you the way you carry on about how any negative opinion about Nintendo is wrong. You people need to realize that everything you say is just an opinion and that the 0.1% of the population that posts on these forums doesn't represent ANYTHING. Do you really think that Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft really care what a bunch of internet junkies think? That answer is simply no, and I think all of you need to keep your opinions to yourselves. Also, it is not really fair to ban the one guy against Nintendo and not the other people that didn't exactly play nice either.

Madkiller, accusing everyone in here of being teenagers is rather...well, sophomoric. You're welcome to your opinion, but I am 24 and almost everyone I know owns a Wii. That includes women and older members of my family, but including my friends of the same age range. OMG, not all 20-something males are hardcore gamers! Tell them to stop not being stereotypical!

First of all, saying Metroid, Zelda, and Mario are too easy is a flat-out lie. Those 3 games are harder and last longer than the vast majority of "hardcore" games out there. Now, if you mean they don't have the online internet aspect, then okay. You are simply spewing pure bile and hatred because you have succumbed to the idiotic internet hype.

The problem is with fan's expectations. They've been raised sky high since the Wii has been successful, and are being disappointed that Nintendo can only produce as many games as they used to. They've already almost produced as many first party games in the first 2 years of the Wii's lifetime than they did during the entire Gamecube era. But fans ignore that because they have become complete slaves to their unrealistic expectations.

The situation on the Wii is not going to change until third parties step up. Their incompetence is not Nintendo's problem. Hell, Nintendo's making record profits IN SPITE of their incompetence. It is their fear of the new control mechanism that is holding things up, not Nintendo. That will come in time, as their profit margins decrease ever more from their support of the HD consoles. But this is a paradigm shift, and paradigm shifts do not happen in such a short time.

And I'm sick of this bile toward the "new consumer." I refuse to call them casual gamers, because that is a false label. You prove your bias and incompetence in belittling these people, who whether you like it or not are readying to become the new generation of gamers. You talk so badly about the Wii's attach rate, but the Wii's attach rate is higher than the PS3 and catching up with the 360. That doesn't support your assertion that these "casuals" are only playing Wii Sports. It's one of those misconceptions that is spreading like a virus.

If you are actually in your 20s then I am amazed by your immaturity. I think you've been playing too many "hardcore games" and haven't bothered picking up your head out of the sand every once in a while. Then you might realize that games don't have to be time-sucking shootfests and collect-a-thons to be fun. It's only once these old generation consumers (that's what I call hardcore gamers) realize this that this industry as a whole becomes something more than a bastion for out-of-touch manchildren.

p.s. People who have to cite their IQ as evidence of their intelligence only proves they lack intelligence.  Ah, I remember Albert Einstein's famous quote when someone questioned his theory of relativity.  "But I have an IQ of 200!"  How can you refute such logic?

Thanks for the insight, I almost thought people were really starting to only see what they wanted that I had to reiterate the same post!

@madkillers,

Please keep making dupe accounts, all I do is permaban them and nobody ever reads what you say. In the meantime your actual account has its ban length extended. You are free to return when that ban expires and share your views so long as you don't insult people.

Most people, Nintendo fans included, are willing to accept well reasoned criticism about the console they favour and the company that makes it. Typically, the type of criticism that is used against a platform (in particular about the Wii) is poorly argued and generally attacks the people who bought the system more than anything else.

If someone argues that Nintendo is not producing enough “Core” games for the Wii this holiday season, and seems to be focusing more on the “Casual” market many Nintendo fans will agree with you; they may point out that third party publishers are providing more “Core” games in this timeframe than any previous Nintendo system has seen, but they will still agree with you.

If you argue that Wii owners are not real gamers, and none of their favourite games are deep, meaningful or challenging, you should expect an argument from the majority of people on any multiplatform forum being that (based on sales) there are probably more people who own a Wii than own a PS3 or Xbox 360. (Note: Even though the Wii hasn’t hit 50% marketshare, with multi-console ownership, and how similar the PS3 and Xbox 360 are, it is likely that over 50% of current generation gamers own a Wii)

Most gamers here said Wii Music was garbage.  Wii Jump and wii bino are fake so I won't bother replying but why would core gamers be upset about animal crossing?  It sold really well on the GC and DS and just because it's casual enough for everyone doesn't mean core gamers don't enjoy it.  If you go back and read pre-E3 wish lists most people wanted to hear about AC so people really liked that announcement.

We can freely admit when Nintendo messes up.  I've stated numerous times that Nintendo's online and storage strategies are ridiculous and many Wii owners agree. 

Sure there are fanboys who will worship anything Nintendo does without thinking twice but you can find them for MS and Sony also.  You're ignoring the overall problem with fanboys in general if you only focus on the Nintendo ones.