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madkiller on 22 July 2008
Sqrl said:
madkiller said:
I am sorry, but I agree with this article 100%. This is not targetted at you teenagers that have no real experience with Nintendo or games in general. This is aimed at the gamers like me that are late 20s, early 30s and have owned EVERY Nintendo system ever released. I just got done trading in my Wii with a huge game and accessory collection to purchase the PS3 MGS4 bundle. I have used my PS3 more in a month than I did my Wii in a year. I had every major game on the Wii and was bored with all of them after 1-2 hours.

There are exactly 0 real hardcore games on the Wii. SMG, Zelda, Metroid, etc are all too easy and casual friendly now to be considered hardcore. I have owned every system in this generation and actually almost every system ever released in the U.S.. The only systems I have not owned are Neo Geo and the 3D0 due to the outrageous price on them. I am now done with Nintendo for good. I have been a Nintendo fan and supporter for their entire history, but they have now gone too far with this casual crap. Wii Music is a complete joke and I will have no part of their crap anymore. I will get everything I want and more from having both the 360 and PS3. The Wii is a child's and non-gamers toy and those so-called core games you people are talking about are NOT core games at all. The problem is there are too many teenagers that wouldn't know a core game if it bit them on the ass that are still praising Nintendo on these forums.

The real gamers are playing the PS3 and 360...

 

This is what I took away from your post:

After playing the PS3 games for more than an hour or two (something I didn't do on the Wii but I will claim to know how good/difficult the games are anyways) I decided these games are undeniably better and that anyone who doesn't think so must not be a gamer.

I really want you to believe I've been hurt emotionally and that Nintendo is a horrible company for inflicting this pain.

Games that I don't like being released on the console I own makes me feel insecure, I need to own a console that makes me feel special and pretty.

I don't like the games on the Wii therefore everyone who does is not a real gamer.

 

When you calm down and are done with the high dramatics you should try to remember that there are thousands of satisfied core gamers who visit this site who support Nintendo and don't feel the way you do. These people, who you insult when you claim that they aren't "real gamers" would appreciate it if you bring the rhetoric down to a level where a discussion can be had, something that cannot happen so long as people feel that their opinions should be seen as fact.

Everything you said basically makes no sense, but you need al realize that there are thousands of gamers that are unhappy with Nintendo as well. All of you people supporting Nintendo still thinks that there is nobody unhappy with them at all and that they have done nothing wrong ever. You people all think that you are right and everyone else is wrong just because they don't agree with you about Nintendo.

 



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Sqrl on 22 July 2008
madkiller said:
RolStoppable said:
madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

If you were a core gamer you would have played Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and beat it on the hard difficulty setting (or at least tried to).

 

 First of all, how do you know that I did not play that game? Second of all, you are a fan of Kim Possible, a girl's cartoon, so why should anyone listen to you about anything?

Ah yes, ad hominem attacks.  A sure sign of debate prowess indeed. /sarcasm

If you want to make a point then do it on the merit of your position not based on frivolous and unrelated attributes of the poster.

 
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azrm2k on 22 July 2008
madkiller said:

When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

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So it is probably a good idea for you to not try and get into an intellectual argument with me as you will lose horribly.

Be careful Squirrel.  You'll "lose horribly".  And since you're not a man or a real gamer you obviously only play "casual crap" that is easy and you are not used to losing.

Grow up.  I don't care how physically old you are or whatever degrees you've earned.  You're coming off like a 9 year old trying to overcompensate by pointing out how "manly" you are.



HappySqurriel on 22 July 2008
madkiller said:
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

 

 

I love how people who argue that Nintendo isn't mature enough always seem to have the worst grammar and are the most immature posters.

 

Are you serious? LMAO, you are talking about grammar on the internet? On a forum? On a video game forum? You are seriously retarded. However, just so you know, I am working toward my masters degree in technology. So it is probably a good idea for you to not try and get into an intellectual argument with me as you will lose horribly.

 

 

A masters degree in "Technology"? Where are you getting that, the Scientific Institute of Science?

By the way, I have two degrees one of which is in Computer Science and another in Pure Mathematics. As you can probably guess, I’m pretty good with logical reasoning.

As a general rule, the only thing people have to determine how intelligent you are on a web forum (or any written correspondence) is your grammar, spelling and punctuation so if you want to be taken seriously you should put an effort into using proper English.



madkiller on 22 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

 

 Actually, I know many gamers just like me and none of them own a Wii. Most of the people I know think that owning a Wii is for kids and girlfriends.

 

So since you have a friend or two, your experience is representative of 6 Billion people on this planet?

The fact that you're not seeming to get is that a large portion of people who bought a previous generation console are buying the Wii, and its sales pattern (massive sales in an arbitrary month) generally goes against the assumption that it is being bought for children (or girlfriends); typically those gamers get a system like this as a gift (because they will probably not buy it themself) around a major holiday period.

People constantly talk about how the average gamer has aged (and is now in their 30s) but seem to forget that having children changes a persons values. The 28 year old student who calls people "Douchbag" is probably not that representative of the average gamer, who most likely has a full time career and children.

I am still a student because I am working toward a masters degree and I did not get a chance to go to college straight out of high school. I had to work my ass off for many years before I could put MYSELF through college. And FYI, most of my friends are all married with children and NONE of them own a Wii.

 

You're getting a masters degree with such poor English. Someone remind me to never work with someone who graduated from your college. Anyways, your logical reasoning skills seem to have difficulty understanding a basic principle: your personal experience is not representative of reality in general. It is highly likely (considering the sales statistics) that your experience in life is an outlier, and many people in a similar situation to you own a Wii (potentially, more people in your position own a Wii than a PS3 or XBox 360 combined).

 

 

 

 

 First of all, I have an IQ of 150 and have aced every standardized test I have ever taken. Second of all you need to use your own logic on yourself and realize that YOUR personal experience is not representative of anything as well. It works both ways bud and again, you do NOT want to get into an intellectual argument with me...



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Sqrl on 22 July 2008
madkiller said:

Everything you said basically makes no sense, but you need al realize that there are thousands of gamers that are unhappy with Nintendo as well. All of you people supporting Nintendo still thinks that there is nobody unhappy with them at all and that they have done nothing wrong ever. You people all think that you are right and everyone else is wrong just because they don't agree with you about Nintendo.

 

 

Oh so now we are going from ad hominem attacks to the straw man argument? 

Nobody here is claiming everyone is happy with Nintendo, lets stick to the issue please?
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azrm2k on 22 July 2008
madkiller said:

 First of all, I have an IQ of 150 and have aced every standardized test I have ever taken. Second of all you need to use your own logic on yourself and realize that YOUR personal experience is not representative of anything as well. It works both ways bud and again, you do NOT want to get into an intellectual argument with me...

 

Ok I was wrong.  You aren't an adult acting like a kid.  You're a kid acting like an adult.  How old are you actually?

A Masters program in "Technology"

An IQ of 150 and apparently perfect scores on all your standardized tests?



madkiller on 22 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

 

 

I love how people who argue that Nintendo isn't mature enough always seem to have the worst grammar and are the most immature posters.

 

Are you serious? LMAO, you are talking about grammar on the internet? On a forum? On a video game forum? You are seriously retarded. However, just so you know, I am working toward my masters degree in technology. So it is probably a good idea for you to not try and get into an intellectual argument with me as you will lose horribly.

 

 

A masters degree in "Technology"? Where are you getting that, the Scientific Institute of Science?

By the way, I have two degrees one of which is in Computer Science and another in Pure Mathematics. As you can probably guess, I’m pretty good with logical reasoning.

As a general rule, the only thing people have to determine how intelligent you are on a web forum (or any written correspondence) is your grammar, spelling and punctuation so if you want to be taken seriously you should put an effort into using proper English.

LMAO, computer science? Are you serious? That degree was useless 10 years ago and is so far out of date that nobody goes after those degrees anymore. And FYI, all real colleges offer various degrees in industrial technology now moron.

 



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wfz on 22 July 2008

That article is hilarious. That girl needs to take a chill pill.

Perfect example of someone who doesn't understand the industry or the changes that are going on.

On a side note, omfgz nintendo is abandnnining the hardcorez!



azrm2k on 22 July 2008

Cool it with the "moron" name-calling since you already got warned. I'm having too much fun reading your posts and I'd hate to see you get banned.