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shanbcn on 21 July 2008
Leetgeek said:
I think Nintendo has already lost many of it's core fans, myself included. Wii's problem is the same as Gamecube's and N64's problem which is lackluster third party support. They are heavily dependent on first party titles to satisfy core gamers. That's why when they are at E3 and no Zelda or Mario games are announced, Wii owners can tell that it's going to be a long road. Sure there will be a few gems here and there: Wii music, some no name FPS, but watch resentment grow as your PS360 owning bretheren get an onslaught of massive big budget, high definition, mature, gripping, games from every genre. Games come out every week on PS3 and 360 that would be killer apps on Wii.

Let me make a prediction: The earliest you will see the next Zelda game for purchase at a store will be 2011-2012. Think that's crazy? It wouldn't even be the longest Zelda gap there have been longer ones in the past.

I tell you this in all honesty as a Longtime Nintendo fan who's not really all that impressed with Wii sales because I was alive and gaming during the NES era, when Nintendo was ALL there was and consoles like the master system were NEVER mentioned in schoolyard conversations, and EVERYONE was a Nintendo fanboy. THAT was Nintendo domination. The Wii might be the best selling game console of all time but units moved have nothing to do with quality. McDonald's sells more burgers the most fancy restaurants but where do you want to eat?

 

"Games come out every week on PS3 and 360 that would be killer apps on Wii."

100% correct, i mean its amazing how Wii fanboys hype trash like Conduit.



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HappySqurriel on 21 July 2008
shanbcn said: 

"Games come out every week on PS3 and 360 that would be killer apps on Wii."

100% correct, i mean its amazing how Wii fanboys hype trash like Conduit.

100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Lair.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Haze.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Killzone 2.

As a general rule, games get hyped on the internet for odd reasons (like pretty screenshots)... This has happened across all platforms since screenshots first began getting put into gaming magazines.

 



Geldorn on 21 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
shanbcn said:

"Games come out every week on PS3 and 360 that would be killer apps on Wii."

100% correct, i mean its amazing how Wii fanboys hype trash like Conduit.

100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Lair.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Haze.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Killzone 2.

As a general rule, games get hyped on the internet for odd reasons (like pretty screenshots)... This has happened across all platforms since screenshots first began getting put into gaming magazines.

 

 

 

I'm happy to see your future-sight still works and you can tell how a game will turn out before it's actually available.

Especially since said game actually has some pretty positive press going for it these days. But you do have a point, Conduit is not out yet either - we don't know if it's great or bad just yet.

 

It's far more interesting for me to see that some Wii supporters manage to both praise Conduit (and downplay it's generic-shooter-ness) and criticise every single other shooter (because they're so generic) at the same time.



bugrimmar on 21 July 2008

yknow it doesn't really matter in the end what kind of games nintendo makes, as long as it sells. bottom line of any business is profit. if i'm a businessman and i make more money from casual gamers rather than core gamers, then let it be. that's just smart business.

and we all know now that the strange crud that nintendo makes nowadays just seem to keep selling like hotcakes. to me, that's sound business.



celine on 21 July 2008
JGarret said:
Is this Wario Land for WiiWare or disk?

Disk and seems god one too(from videos).

 



 “In the entertainment business, there are only heaven and hell, and nothing in between and as soon as our customers bore of our products, we will crash.”  Hiroshi Yamauchi

TAG:  Like a Yamauchi pimp slap delivered by Il Maelstrom; serving it up with style.

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konnichiwa on 21 July 2008
naznatips said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:
This really should have ended the Nintendo E3 crap a long time ago, but yeah, for some reason people are intent on continuing to bitch.

 

Well it would if Nintendo had bothered to tell people BEFORE the convention instead of letting them get their hopes up.

 

Who's hopes? I told people from the start it was going to be a boring E3 from everyone, Nintendo included. Not my fault no one listened.

 

To be fair...I really can't remember you saying that.. I believe ya but is like WoW says allmost everyone was saying (again remember last year) that Nintendo's conference will best of them all...Ha remember the comments at the Wii add on thing...Nintendo already won E3!!!!!!!!






EssosDeeos on 21 July 2008

Amazing how a thread wanders and gets infected with fanboyism. I hope everyone took the time to read the article and then take 5 minutes to digest. It was a very good critique of the post E3 rabid reaction.

Big feature in the paper today about Wii Fit shortages for christmas; that's what Nintendo are interested in, not "I feel let down because I hyped myself into a frenzy" bleating...



Smash_Brother on 21 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
shanbcn said: 

"Games come out every week on PS3 and 360 that would be killer apps on Wii."

100% correct, i mean its amazing how Wii fanboys hype trash like Conduit.

100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Lair.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Haze.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Killzone 2.

As a general rule, games get hyped on the internet for odd reasons (like pretty screenshots)... This has happened across all platforms since screenshots first began getting put into gaming magazines.

 

haha, pwned.

As for the Conduit, I've heard that the gameplay is rather fun, and that's all that matters.



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

ion-storm on 21 July 2008
Geldorn said:
HappySqurriel said:
shanbcn said:

"Games come out every week on PS3 and 360 that would be killer apps on Wii."

100% correct, i mean its amazing how Wii fanboys hype trash like Conduit.

100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Lair.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Haze.
100% correct, i mean its amazing how PS3 fanboys hype trash like Killzone 2.

As a general rule, games get hyped on the internet for odd reasons (like pretty screenshots)... This has happened across all platforms since screenshots first began getting put into gaming magazines.

 

 

 

I'm happy to see your future-sight still works and you can tell how a game will turn out before it's actually available.

Especially since said game actually has some pretty positive press going for it these days. But you do have a point, Conduit is not out yet either - we don't know if it's great or bad just yet.

 

It's far more interesting for me to see that some Wii supporters manage to both praise Conduit (and downplay it's generic-shooter-ness) and criticise every single other shooter (because they're so generic) at the same time.

Probably because the Wii doesn't have enough decent fps for it to be generic. In the Wii line up a good fps would be pretty unique. Though this leads me to believe that people will give the game more kudos and higher ratings than would a similar game on the 360 or PS3. Like Halo or resistance. Good games. But not spectacular games.

 



Yes

HappySqurriel on 21 July 2008
Geldorn said:

 

I'm happy to see your future-sight still works and you can tell how a game will turn out before it's actually available.

Especially since said game actually has some pretty positive press going for it these days. But you do have a point, Conduit is not out yet either - we don't know if it's great or bad just yet.

 

It's far more interesting for me to see that some Wii supporters manage to both praise Conduit (and downplay it's generic-shooter-ness) and criticise every single other shooter (because they're so generic) at the same time.

Killzone 2 was not an accidental choice, nor was it choosen at random, the fact is that every excuse that people use to claim that The Conduit will be bad is just as true of Killzone 2 ...

You have a developer who is not know for developing particularly good games who is developing a game that is far larger in scope to anything they have produced before and is being hyped mainly because of how it looks; the game seems fairly generic, and if it wasn't exclusive for the platform in question would (potentially) go unnoticed by the majoirty of fanboys.

Does this mean that either game will be bad? No, both developers are motivated to bring the best product they can because of the large financial investment in these products; and both developers are highly motivated to build a reputation for themself as something other than a mediocre developer. Even if both games are amazingly generic, as long as they're well executed and enjoyable few people will hold it against them.