Your problem is you have no idea what he means by 'mature'. Brain Training and puzzle games, they are mature games. More mature in fact than Halo or Tekken.

Im pretty sure Bodhevesta means mature as in a game for adults, not teenagers.

Ultimately, it's going to take developers alot of guts to break the genre barriers. There are, however a few games out there that might end up breaking the genre.

Alan Wake would be a great example. Yes, there's gunplay, but the main focal point is to tell a story and incorporate some great horror/adventure elements into it.

Ultimately, you could EASILY do a great FPS game that was non-violent and neat using UE3 or Oblivion's engine. I always thought maybe doing a mystery game using Radiant AI (Oblivion's AI engine), and an Oblivion-type world, but modern for maybe a mystery who-done-it sort of game would be interesting. Ultimately, you could use Wii or standard controls to do alot of things with games anymore. The horsepower is there on 360/PS3 to have some ultra-impressive (both visually and gameplay wise) for all kinds of great cenematic elements.

With all the advances in AI, lighting, improvements to dialogue, disk space, and such, we could see some great adventure games out there that use the greatness of the 3 next-gen systems to make some really fun games. One day, hopefully a few devs end up doing more games like Alan Wake, Banjo Kazooie, and such.

Ultimately, there will be a compromise of the M-rated games and the E-rated games. I think Crackdown without the violence would be a good seller - half of the game was a better-than-Mario platformer because of the sheer amount of things you could do. Heck, the reason I love GTA isn't the violence, but the open-ended gameplay and huge world to explore, ala Oblivion. I feel that many gamers probably buy games like those not to merely just kill people, and save the princess, but to explore a large world to excape to. One day, hopefully devs wake up and realize the storytelling medium of video games lags far behind AI and every other element of the video game experience.

Because it already is happening? As I said, over the last fifteen years, games really have made no inroads to capturing the adult market.

And now the Wii is selling to adults. Isn't that... obvious? Brain Age, the Sims, this new Firefighter game, and other mature titles are coming to the system.

Again, Blue, the proof is in the pudding. Adults did not buy the PS1 or the PS2 in any large numbers. Adults ARE buying the Wii. You can gnash your teeth and flail about all you want, but it's as simple as that.

That is precisely what I mean, thank you.

And again, the evidence is pretty clear: Playstation and Playstation 2 had 10-15 years to break in to the adult market, and really never came close. The Wii is only 6 months old, and it's already making inroads.

What the gaming industry needs is more platform games like Mario, Donkey Kong, Crash, and Sonic. Mario is the only good one left out of the four.

Entroper - yeah that's pretty close to what I meant, looks neat. :)

I think RPG's (especially western) are going to turn into shooter/action hybrids. They're already moving away from turn-based battles to action RPG's, it's just a small step from there to shooter RPG's, isn't Mass Effect or Bioshock (or both?) something like that?

yahh they sold +100 million with no adult sales, your delusional if you think adults did not buy the PS2 it's as simple as that. Sony expended past the child/teen gamer, you can deny it all you want but every one knows its a fact.

 Or they simply sold it to a LOT of teenagers. Im not saying they didnt expand the market, they hugely expanded the market as far as non-gaming teens, but they barely expanded into the adult market at all.

Geez, Blue, these are trends, not absolutes. Of course some adults bought playstations, just as some 5 year olds did (I've sold one to a 5 year old, in fact. Or at least his parents). Generally speaking, very few adults played video games; now, a lot more are. Conclusion: adults like the Wii better than all previous consoles.

This isn't something that I just made up. It's not Sony in particular, by the way --  they were only the most important player in the last 10 years, and thus can be used as a representative for the whole. Nintendo and Microsoft had also failed to capture adults, at least until this last generation.

Yep, this is my understanding as well. I'd say they did expand the market though -- I'd say it went from 5-16 year old males before the PS1 (generally speaking, again) and expanded to the 16-25 year old male bracket, as well. So the market DID expand during the PS1 generation, and I think it's silly to suggest otherwise.

But that expansion basically excluded adults altogether: it expanded from "really young males" bracket to the "young male" one, which is important and progressive, but hardly revolutionary. So adults weren't playing much, especially well educated ones (this isn't an insult to anyone in particular, but market demographics have pretty consistently shown that those without degrees or higher educations are much more likely to be video gamers. At least until now, not sure with the changing landscape).