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Pristine20 on 18 July 2008
Aj_habfan said:
Fei-Hung said:
You have sort of complicated why the PS3 is in 3rd place :s

PS3 is in 3rd place for one reason only- Delays. They delayed things so much so often before its launch, during its launch and after its launch, they lost their own user base to other consoles and they killed of the hype and excitement that they had built for the console. It doesn't get any simpler my friend.

 

Umm, not really. But Rock_On is damn wrong as well.

PS3 is in third place because it was extremly high priced without any real good games, and never got good games for a very long time. It also doesn't have the casual like the Wii, and was launched a year after the 360.

Even though I think the ps3 was worth its cost, most people don't. I have to co-sign Aj's post.

 



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FJ-Warez on 18 July 2008

There is no point to argue with him, he knows that he is wrong... we know that right now and since launch the Wii is more appealing because it focus only on gaiming with a decent price, and a good interface...



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GodofWine on 18 July 2008

Yea, its in 3rd cause it came out last...I think it got over the price and slow to market games hurdle fine, its just a year+ behind in sales...but its doing fine..people fail to remark how it is doing fine now.



 

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HappySqurriel on 18 July 2008

I'm a little confused, how can you argue that the console which has the most functionality that is unnecessary for a gaming machine is "The Most focused gaming console" while the console which has the least functionality that is unnecessary for gaming is "The Least focused gaming console"?

I could be wrong, but I suspect that the Wii is so successful because the vast majority of gamers have always bought their gaming system because it gives them a new gameplay experience at an affordable price; they have never (really) bought their system because of the movie formats it plays, its modability, the added functionality of the system, or because of how powerful it was. Sony delivered a system that doesn't really offer a new gameplay experience over the PS2 (besides graphics), that is not affordable to the majority of gamers and justifies its cost because of the movie formats it plays, how modable it is, that it has tons of non-gaming functionality, and that it is super powerful.

In other words Sony abandoned what the majority of gamers cared about to focus on what they don't care about and they have seen lower sales because of that.



alpha_dk on 18 July 2008
The Fury said:
alpha_dk said:
The Fury said:


The key point about why they are third though, it was (and maybe still is) too expensive for general populace, 360 was released a year early and Wii is a fad. (my opinion based on general populace)

Just a question; what would Wii have to do to not be a fad in your eyes, if (almost) completely selling out in its second summer after release isn't enough?

Sales are not what defines a fad, something could sell loads and not be a fad. The speed of which it has sold those units, maybe.

To not be a fad it would have to do more then sell consoles, it would have to make those people who bought it seriously play games, not just party games but all kinds and on more occasions then just when your friends are round (or in the case of my housemate 'the winter'). Once those people seriously consider buying a Zelda or Metroid game, then things might have changed.

 

So, 2 years (or 1/5th of the generation according to sony) isn't a long enough time to be completely sold out?  If it had sold this many units over 3 years, would that make it less of a fad?  More software sales by this point in its life than any console in history doesn't show that the people buying a Wii are seriously playing games?



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masterb8tr on 18 July 2008
Fei-Hung said:
You have sort of complicated why the PS3 is in 3rd place :s

PS3 is in 3rd place for one reason only-price

 

fixed.



The Fury on 18 July 2008
alpha_dk said:
The Fury said:
alpha_dk said:
The Fury said:


The key point about why they are third though, it was (and maybe still is) too expensive for general populace, 360 was released a year early and Wii is a fad. (my opinion based on general populace)

Just a question; what would Wii have to do to not be a fad in your eyes, if (almost) completely selling out in its second summer after release isn't enough?

Sales are not what defines a fad, something could sell loads and not be a fad. The speed of which it has sold those units, maybe.

To not be a fad it would have to do more then sell consoles, it would have to make those people who bought it seriously play games, not just party games but all kinds and on more occasions then just when your friends are round (or in the case of my housemate 'the winter'). Once those people seriously consider buying a Zelda or Metroid game, then things might have changed.

 

So, 2 years (or 1/5th of the generation according to sony) isn't a long enough time to be completely sold out? If it had sold this many units over 3 years, would that make it less of a fad? More software sales by this point in its life than any console in history doesn't show that the people buying a Wii are seriously playing games?

10 year plan is for the life of the PS3, not how long sony expect the generation to go on for. It's not about being sold out, the almighty PS2 had sold 14million units by this time in Wii's life, 29 million is a fair wack more. Remove WiiSports and WiiPlay then tell me about the software again.

Again, software sales mean squat about people using the dang things. Like I said, i have a housemate, he has a Wii, he has Mario Galaxy, SSX and the common Wii Sports. He hasn't touched his Wii in about 3 months, except about once a month ago when a mate of his came round.

I'm not saying, however, that it's not success. It more then a success that i think Nintendo could dream and good to them.

 

 

 



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madman25 on 18 July 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:
Read my article and please give me your feedback. I found this article on another gaming forum site and thought hey this is excellent material. Light hearted and well it is very on the ball in regards to how the gaming market has evolved. The PS3 truly stood out at E3 as providing the full gaming experience.

 

 So you just stole someone else's 'opinion' and tried to pass it off as your own to? Don't you realise your fanboy crap hurts this site? Is this your last thread before you leave?



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HappySqurriel on 18 July 2008
The Fury said:
alpha_dk said:
The Fury said:
alpha_dk said:
The Fury said:


The key point about why they are third though, it was (and maybe still is) too expensive for general populace, 360 was released a year early and Wii is a fad. (my opinion based on general populace)

Just a question; what would Wii have to do to not be a fad in your eyes, if (almost) completely selling out in its second summer after release isn't enough?

Sales are not what defines a fad, something could sell loads and not be a fad. The speed of which it has sold those units, maybe.

To not be a fad it would have to do more then sell consoles, it would have to make those people who bought it seriously play games, not just party games but all kinds and on more occasions then just when your friends are round (or in the case of my housemate 'the winter'). Once those people seriously consider buying a Zelda or Metroid game, then things might have changed.

 

So, 2 years (or 1/5th of the generation according to sony) isn't a long enough time to be completely sold out? If it had sold this many units over 3 years, would that make it less of a fad? More software sales by this point in its life than any console in history doesn't show that the people buying a Wii are seriously playing games?

10 year plan is for the life of the PS3, not how long sony expect the generation to go on for. It's not about being sold out, the almighty PS2 had sold 14million units by this time in Wii's life, 29 million is a fair wack more. Remove WiiSports and WiiPlay then tell me about the software again.

Again, software sales mean squat about people using the dang things. Like I said, i have a housemate, he has a Wii, he has Mario Galaxy, SSX and the common Wii Sports. He hasn't touched his Wii in about 3 months, except about once a month ago when a mate of his came round.

I'm not saying, however, that it's not success. It more then a success that i think Nintendo could dream and good to them.

 

 

 

Anecdotes are my favourite form of 'Proof' ...

Remove Wii Sports and Wii Play and the Wii sells (on a weekly basis) roughly the same ammount of software every week as the XBox 360 does in North America; which is what you would expect being that they have sold (roughly) the same ammount of hardware to date.

Although, completely eliminating those sales seems unfair to prove a point about people not playing the Wii because people who buy a Wii with Wii Play are going to be far less likely to buy an additional game to someone who just bought an XBox 360.
 

 



graywolf96 on 18 July 2008
The Fury said:

Interesting but I view it more like this, that Nintendo and M$ are changing their image, Nintendo had a huge revamp and are the fun family interactive console and while 360 was getting the hardcore vote (then breaking down), they now want the casual as well and are making steps to get that.

Sony are jsut doing what they've always done. Making a multimedia centre for your living room. A machine that can play game as well as movies, this is what they did with PS2 and now with PS3. The are catering for casuals in Buzz, SingStar and GT as well as the hardcore with MSG4 and others.

The key point about why they are third though, it was (and maybe still is) too expensive for general populace, 360 was released a year early and Wii is a fad. (my opinion based on general populace)

 

 fad is inoperable. sony is not casual, Buzz, GT, and singstar arent enough to be able to consider sony casual