In my book, Pac-man and Space Invaders are not casual games. Space Invaders was the first shmup and Pac-man some sort of action/"platformer" like Donkey Kong. They had a hardcore following, whereas regular people played them rarely or never.

To be honest, Wii Music just looked really dodgey. If Wii music didn't exist i actually don't believe casuals wouldn't have looked so bad on the day.

You guys are sad trying to argue that Pac-man and other games back then are hardcore/casual ect.

Face it. They were fun and that it. They went into catagory fun.

If someone has never played games before and you throw them a "hardcore" game to play you have to sit there and teach them slowly the moves constantly. And they suck for a long time.

Playing games now is like throwing somebody some algebra or something. Sure you can teach them it somewhat, but they still struggle. Then you have the games like pacman and wiisport and stuff and its like doing simple math. Anyone can do it and they have fun doing it.

Gamers who game all the time like us can pick up any standard shooter game, sports game ect. and just start playing withotu manual or getting told anything. Sure we might take a second to learn a button here or there. But we have the button layout memorized and roughly what each button does. Though may be a bit different each game, close enough we adjust quick.

Face it your having fun doing calculus homework, while the rest of the world is having fun doing multiplication. They don't even want to touch calculus, it looks too hard and is not fun

There will always be a market for both casual and hardcore games

I thought my point was pretty clear even if my writing wasn't very precise. To elaborate, what I meant was that most people play card games casually just to have a little fun or to kill some time while they're with friends. I think that's pretty close to what people think of when they talk about casual games.

The so called core gamers also play to have fun, but they do it much more regularly and take it as a hobby, not just casual fun. Isn't that the difference?