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LordTheNightKnight said:
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
Michael Bay's thoughts on the format war (from Michael Bay's forum):

What you don't understand is corporate politics. Microsoft wants both formats to fail so they can be heroes and make the world move to digital downloads. That is the dirty secret no one is talking about. That is why Microsoft is handing out $100 million dollar checks to studios just embrace the HD DVD and not the leading, and superior Blu Ray. They want confusion in the market until they perfect the digital downloads. Time will tell and you will see the truth.


Michael Bay, Steven Spielberg, and Ridley Scott have all been very pro-Blu-Ray from the start. It's most likely because, as Directors, they feel that the added capacity and higher bitrates of Blu-Ray will lead to a better representation of their films.

So it will be really interesting to see if the 3 layer HD-DVD changes this, assuming your guess is correct.


That doesn't solve the bitrate limitation.


Yes it does. Blu-ray's higher bitrates come from the higher capacity.


you have NO idea what youre talking about. First you say amazon isnt in Nielsen...now this crap....seriously, learn what youre argueing.


No, you don't. BDA made it clear they are using the higher capacity of those discs to achieve a higher bitrate for the video. That clearly means that the triple layer discs matching it would allow the higher bitrate as well.

This doesn't mean HD-DVD can pull ahead, or do you and makingmusic think the higher bitrates are the reason blu-ray is ahead, so cannot admit HD-DVD might match it?*

It will take something else, like dropping prices on discs, to help HD-DVD.

And so far, it's just Sony that claims Amazon is in nielson, so they can deny Transformers sold so well (and it's not about that movie's format; like 300, Transformers was a crowd pleaser, while Spiderman 3 and Shrek 3 weren't).

*making music, you didn't even read what I wrote. I clearly wrote that the maximum reasonable bitrate for 50GB discs is 24mbs, which is LOWER than 36mbs.

And even if a blu-ray film was encoded at 54mbs, that wouldn't help. I also pointed out that 24mbs allows 3-4 hours of video. You can replace the 4th hour with extra feature and audio. Going at a higher bitrate would lose the room for those, so it would be pointless. And don't think those 100GB discs would help, not until the dual layer yields get better (they will, but it's taking a while).


wow.....just.......wow you REALLY bought into this whole HD DVD propaganda didnt you.

You are so ill informed its disgusting....seriosuly, please do some actual research, dont regurgitate what HD DVD zealots tell you and then come back and contribute to this thread. Until then youre only making yourself look like an idiot. 



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If you actually knew what you were talking baout, LordtheKNightNight you would remember last summer when Amazon offered RE apocalypse and memento with the purchase of a PS3....it was ONLY on Amazon......the Nielsen ranking for those weeks showed both titles climb into the top 10 simply base don the amazon POS scanning, proving they include amazon sales.

 

But i wouldnt expect you to know or remember that....that would mean youve been following this information and have osme clue what youre talking about. Instead you probably vist HDD forums and AVS and then waltz on back here where its safe and cozy to hate all things Sony and try to sound liek you know something, but you have no idea what youre talking about at all......and now claiming only Sony claims amazon figures are in nielsen.....i mean, come on, hwo long can you keep making yourself look like an ass. 



And you overlooked the ten free films offered with the PS3.* So if you got a detail wrong, you sound like a hypocrite attacking me this way.

Or you could just admit I just got one detail off, and I'll do the same for you.

*The twelve HD-DVD films offered now don't count, since this offer is now, not the time frame we were discussing. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Warner going Blu?

From Business Week:

Next-Gen DVDs: Advantage, Sony
Sony-led backers of Blu-ray seem to have pulled ahead of rivals in the race for a single high-def DVD standard

by Ronald Grover and Cliff Edwards

It's a fight with more plot twists and intrigue than a Hollywood thriller. For two years now, rival camps have been battling over which new DVD format will prevail: Blu-ray, which is backed by Sony (SNE) and a consortium of 170 other companies, or HD DVD, which is being championed by Toshiba (TOSBF), Microsoft (MSFT), and others. Both technologies promise crisper video that looks better on the new generation of flat-panel, high-definition TVs. And the winner stands to control a lucrative new market worth billions. Each side has been competing to win the backing of the major movie studios. Only Warner Bros. (TWX), which currently uses both formats, is still playing hard to get.

Now, with the Jan. 7 International Consumer Electronics Show fast approaching, Sony and Toshiba are keen to announce they have won over Hollywood's last holdout. In the meantime, they are falling over themselves to woo Warner. While either side could prevail, the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front-runner.

Why? Because despite a setback this summer when the HD DVD companies signed up Paramount Pictures (VIA) and DreamWorks Animation (DWA), the Blu-ray forces have still lined up more studios than the HD DVD side. Plus this year, the Sony team has sold more than twice as many discs. "The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," says Michael Burns, vice-chairman of studio Lionsgate (LGF), which makes its movies available on the Sony-backed format. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game." (Sony declined to comment, and Toshiba only would say it is "in regular contact with the studios.")


From the beginning, the two camps' overarching strategy has been the same: getting access to as many movies as possible. It isn't hard to see why. Consumers will buy the new technology only if they believe most of the films they want will be available.

Right now the Blu-ray team has enough studios on board—among them Disney (DIS), Fox (NWS), and, of course, Sony—to account for about 49% of current DVD market share. Warner is a prolific film factory, releasing as many as 30 pictures a year, including those produced by sister studio New Line Cinema. Persuading it to sign an exclusive deal would give the Sony crowd about 70% of DVD market share. That could prompt the other studios to abandon HD DVD.

On the other hand, if Toshiba were to win Warner's hand, the two forces would divide the market between them. That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales. That's exactly why Warner has long pushed for a single format.
WOOING WARNER

The battle has heated up since HD DVD got Paramount and DreamWorks Animation. Both sides have been beating a path to Warner's Burbank (Calif.) doorstep. Yoshihide Fujii, the head of Toshiba's HD DVD business in Japan, has made three trips to the U.S. since the summer, say those with knowledge of the situation. And while Andrew House, Sony's chief marketing officer, has been pressing the Blu-ray case, the stakes are sufficiently high that Sony CEO Howard Stringer has been making personal appeals to Richard Parsons and Jeffrey Bewkes, the two top executives at Warner parent Time Warner (TWX).

Toshiba is pressing the case that because its technology is cheaper, it will more quickly become a mass-market product. According to the DVD Release Report, an industry newsletter, the suggested retail price of an HD DVD is $31.74, nearly $2 less than Blu-ray's suggested price. (Retailers traditionally cut the price to less than $29.) Toshiba also has been cutting the price of its players, slashing its entry-level machine to $299 earlier this year.

It was price that prompted DreamWorks Animation and Paramount to throw in their lot with HD DVD earlier this summer. (Like Warner, Paramount had previously backed both formats.) "The game-changer for us was the hardware costs dramatically coming down to where it could succeed broadly for the consumer," says DreamWorks Animation CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg. "In addition, the software manufacturing costs in the future would be significantly lower than Blu-ray." Of course, it didn't hurt that Toshiba agreed to pay Paramount and DreamWorks Animation a combined $150 million in incentives, including money to license DreamWorks' Shrek character for marketing purposes.

The Blu-ray faction insists there is no burning reason for it to match HD DVD's prices. "We think Warner will respond to the fact that our greater number of titles gives us a greater likelihood of being the single standard," says Andy Parsons, who leads the Blu-ray lobbying effort. But another executive backing Blu-ray, who didn't want to be identified, expects the imminent arrival of a sub-$300 Blu-ray machine.

What's more, Hollywood insiders say the $150 million that the Toshiba group showered on Paramount and DreamWorks Animation radically changed the game. These people suggest the Blu-ray team is so determined to win that it will throw hundreds of millions of dollars of marketing support behind Blu-ray equipment if Warner gets on board.

Warner isn't talking, but people close to the situation say the studio is waiting to see which group sells more of the new-fangled DVD players this holiday season. "Warner wants one of the two sides to make a commitment to getting this format into as many hands as possible," says a studio executive with knowledge of its thinking.

So far Toshiba has eked out a lead. According to industry tracker Adams Media Research, by the end of this year as many as 578,000 U.S. households will own HD DVD players, compared with 370,000 that have Blu-ray players. Adams also estimates there are 300,000 more HD DVD players in circulation inside Microsoft Xbox game consoles. But that still pales in comparison to the estimated 4 million Blu-ray-equipped Sony PlayStation 3 consoles sold in the U.S.

The Blu-ray side has another advantage. Disney caters to families, who buy lots of older films for their kids. That could help the format build critical mass. "The Blu-ray customer is more likely to build a new library," says market researcher Richard Doherty. "Studios live for [that]."

That leaves one question. If the Sony camp wins Warner, will the other studios ditch HD DVD? They're not saying. But Dreamworks Animation and Paramount only signed on with the Toshiba side for 18 months. So then they could take the money and run.



HappySqurriel said:
libellule said:
Sony : "ENOUGHT PLAYED, LET'S WIN !!!!!!" (libellule)
 
 
News
Business Week: Blu-ray Is Winning
The publication says it could get Warner endorsement.
By Swanni
Washington, D.C. (December 7, 2007) -- Blu-ray has emerged as the clear front runner in the high-def DVD format war against HD DVD.

That's according to an analysis published today by Business Week magazine.

The publication, which has considerable influence in the financial world, writes that Blu-ray still holds the greatest support among Hollywood studios. Four major studios now back Blu-ray exclusively while only two support HD DVD exclusively.

Consequently, Business Week says, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has outsold HD DVD by roughly 2-1 for the past year.

Additionally, the publication reports that Sony may be close to landing an exclusive endorsement from Warner Bros., which until now has released films in both formats.

"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of Blu-ray supporter Lionsgate, tells Business Week. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

Business Week added that "either side could (win the Warner endorsement)...but the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front runner."

"Persuading it (Warner) to sign an exclusive deal would give the Sony crowd about 70% of DVD market share. That could prompt the other studios to abandon HD DVD," the publication writes.

Business Week notes that if Warner were to join HD DVD, the format war would be stalemated.

"That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales. That's exactly why Warner has long pushed for a single format," it said
==> the best way to kill the Xbox360 in NA ?

Even if the PS3 was as poorly recieved as the Dreamcast it would have ensured that Blu-Ray would be the front runner at this point in time.

HD-DVD's opportunity to make this a much more even competition will come in 2008 being that HD-DVD players will be (at least) $200 cheaper than the cheapest Blu-Ray players for the entire year, and may hit the $99 mark for Christmas 2008 which will make them very attractive to the more mainstream audience.

Blu-Ray can effectively prevent a comeback from HD-DVD if either PS3 sales increase to double their current level or there is a dramatic increase in the sales of Blu-Ray movies to PS3 owners; at the moment per-unit sales of Blu-Ray titles to PS3 owners has to be pretty bad being that the PS3 outsells all HD-DVD players combined by 10 to 1 and yet sales of discs are only double.


BS.  HD DVD players are only $100 cheaper than Blu-Ray players right now.  The Samsung BD-P1400 is already $340, while the Toshiba A3 is $230.  The only way HD DVD players will be $200 cheaper than Blu-Ray palyers next year is if they are below $99 all year long. 

At CES, the Blu-Ray manufacturers will begin announcin BDJ 2.0 compliant sub-$300 players, which will most likely hit $200 or less by Holiday '08. 



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It really is time for Toshiba to throw in the towel to be fair to consumers. Stop the nonsense. You’ve done everything you can(paying a studio, Dropping the price of your player to $99.00) and you’re still getting your butt handed to you.



LordTheNightKnight said:

And you overlooked the ten free films offered with the PS3.* So if you got a detail wrong, you sound like a hypocrite attacking me this way.

Or you could just admit I just got one detail off, and I'll do the same for you.

*The twelve HD-DVD films offered now don't count, since this offer is now, not the time frame we were discussing.


 10 free films at WAL MART which isnt counted in Nielsen....its irrelavant to the discussion.

The problem is youre basing youre entire argument on things that ARENT true. Nielsen DOES track Amazon...not Wal Mart. Disc space isnt whats hindering HD DVD's bitrate, yet you continue to announce its bitrate will increase with the 51 GB disc (that isnt even officil as far as market goes)

So, i didnt mention the wal mart in store sale as per Nielsen since they dont count....and you, well, have no idea what youre talking about for any of your points and we are square? Sorry. Keep trying, chief.



BTW anyone interested on HD DVD can turn a nice little profit on amazon right now. Get Bourne and 300 packed in with a $199 player. Choose 5 movies instantly at POS (which count towards Nielsen BTW) and then get 5 mail in rebate.

So for a $199 player you get 12 free movies or a value of $300 (rounding down from MSRP's) netting the consumer a nifty $100.........

 

yes, and Amazon also has a buy one get one free on select Warner titles right now for BD....just to keep it fair right Lord? So, which seems a tad more desperate, offing 12 movies to get people to buy your hardware.....or offering discounted software to folks already invested....hmmmmmmm 



None of this means anything until Warner confirms or denies it. Just like the last rumor. Only time will tell.



whatever said:
None of this means anything until Warner confirms or denies it. Just like the last rumor. Only time will tell.

 just like everything (PS3 price cuts, 360 defaults) expect denial until day of any announcement.