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LordTheNightKnight on 07 December 2007
libellule said:
Sony : "ENOUGHT PLAYED, LET'S WIN !!!!!!" (libellule)
http://www.tvpredictions.com/business120707.htm
 
 
News
Business Week: Blu-ray Is Winning
The publication says it could get Warner endorsement.
By Swanni
Washington, D.C. (December 7, 2007) -- Blu-ray has emerged as the clear front runner in the high-def DVD format war against HD DVD.

That's according to an analysis published today by Business Week magazine.

The publication, which has considerable influence in the financial world, writes that Blu-ray still holds the greatest support among Hollywood studios. Four major studios now back Blu-ray exclusively while only two support HD DVD exclusively.

Consequently, Business Week says, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has outsold HD DVD by roughly 2-1 for the past year.

Additionally, the publication reports that Sony may be close to landing an exclusive endorsement from Warner Bros., which until now has released films in both formats.

"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of Blu-ray supporter Lionsgate, tells Business Week. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

Business Week added that "either side could (win the Warner endorsement)...but the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front runner."

"Persuading it (Warner) to sign an exclusive deal would give the Sony crowd about 70% of DVD market share. That could prompt the other studios to abandon HD DVD," the publication writes.

Business Week notes that if Warner were to join HD DVD, the format war would be stalemated.

"That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales. That's exactly why Warner has long pushed for a single format," it said
==> the best way to kill the Xbox360 in NA ?

Is this Warner reconsidering right now, or did Business Week just hear that rumor that Warner debunked?

The rest of the article is already old news, so this wouldn't be surprising. 



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HappySqurriel on 07 December 2007
libellule said:
 Sony : "ENOUGHT PLAYED, LET'S WIN !!!!!!"  (libellule)
http://www.tvpredictions.com/business120707.htm
 
 
News
Business Week: Blu-ray Is Winning
The publication says it could get Warner endorsement.
By Swanni
 
Washington, D.C. (December 7, 2007) -- Blu-ray has emerged as the clear front runner in the high-def DVD format war against HD DVD.

That's according to an analysis published today by Business Week magazine.

The publication, which has considerable influence in the financial world, writes that Blu-ray still holds the greatest support among Hollywood studios. Four major studios now back Blu-ray exclusively while only two support HD DVD exclusively.

Consequently, Business Week says, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has outsold HD DVD by roughly 2-1 for the past year.

Additionally, the publication reports that Sony may be close to landing an exclusive endorsement from Warner Bros., which until now has released films in both formats.

"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of Blu-ray supporter Lionsgate, tells Business Week. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

Business Week added that  "either side could (win the Warner endorsement)...but the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front runner."

"Persuading it (Warner) to sign an exclusive deal would give the Sony crowd about 70% of DVD market share. That could prompt the other studios to abandon HD DVD," the publication writes.

Business Week notes that if Warner were to join HD DVD, the format war would be stalemated.

"That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales. That's exactly why Warner has long pushed for a single format," it said
==> the best way to kill the Xbox360 in NA ?

Even if the PS3 was as poorly recieved as the Dreamcast it would have ensured that Blu-Ray would be the front runner at this point in time.

HD-DVD's opportunity to make this a much more even competition will come in 2008 being that HD-DVD players will be (at least) $200 cheaper than the cheapest Blu-Ray players for the entire year, and may hit the $99 mark for Christmas 2008 which will make them very attractive to the more mainstream audience.

Blu-Ray can effectively prevent a comeback from HD-DVD if either PS3 sales increase to double their current level or there is a dramatic increase in the sales of Blu-Ray movies to PS3 owners; at the moment per-unit sales of Blu-Ray titles to PS3 owners has to be pretty bad being that the PS3 outsells all HD-DVD players combined by 10 to 1 and yet sales of discs are only double.



Space20man on 07 December 2007

If this happens HD-DVD is done. Yes, HD-DVD players are cheaper but soon will blu-ray players. HD-DVD are as low as 200 bucks but what happens when blu-ray players drop to 200 bucks. How low can HD-DVD go.



LordTheNightKnight on 07 December 2007
HappySqurriel said:
 

Even if the PS3 was as poorly recieved as the Dreamcast it would have ensured that Blu-Ray would be the front runner at this point in time.

HD-DVD's opportunity to make this a much more even competition will come in 2008 being that HD-DVD players will be (at least) $200 cheaper than the cheapest Blu-Ray players for the entire year, and may hit the $99 mark for Christmas 2008 which will make them very attractive to the more mainstream audience.

Blu-Ray can effectively prevent a comeback from HD-DVD if either PS3 sales increase to double their current level or there is a dramatic increase in the sales of Blu-Ray movies to PS3 owners; at the moment per-unit sales of Blu-Ray titles to PS3 owners has to be pretty bad being that the PS3 outsells all HD-DVD players combined by 10 to 1 and yet sales of discs are only double.


Um, you still need an HDTV to play HD movies. So if just a small fraction of PS3 owners have HDTVs, of course about the same number would be buying blu-ray. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight on 07 December 2007
Space20man said:
If this happens HD-DVD is done. Yes, HD-DVD players are cheaper but soon will blu-ray players. HD-DVD are as low as 200 bucks but what happens when blu-ray players drop to 200 bucks. How low can HD-DVD go.

The problem is that the higher movie sales are largely attributed to the PS3, which is not going that low anytime soon, not while Sony is still losing money on it. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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libellule on 07 December 2007

"
Even if the PS3 was as poorly recieved as the Dreamcast it would have ensured that Blu-Ray would be the front runner at this point in time.
"

==> WHY ?
with lower PS3 sales, the HD DVD sales state would have been better.
I m sure we agree that, without PS3, BR would be DEAD.

"
HD-DVD's opportunity to make this a much more even competition will come in 2008 being that HD-DVD players will be (at least) $200 cheaper than the cheapest Blu-Ray players for the entire year, and may hit the $99 mark for Christmas 2008 which will make them very attractive to the more mainstream audience.
"

==> I agree
But since I expect the PS3 sales to continue to increase ... (just considering the price and some games, Sony should sell more PS3 in 2008 than in 2009).

In fact, HD DVD is already very attaractive because it is cheap.
the problem is the PS3 sales volume that are bigger even in NA.
And the PS3 alllow the BR to reach people that just dont care about it, but want to play PS3, and, at the end, start to buy some BR ...

"
Blu-Ray can effectively prevent a comeback from HD-DVD if either PS3 sales increase to double their current level or there is a dramatic increase in the sales of Blu-Ray movies to PS3 owners; at the moment per-unit sales of Blu-Ray titles to PS3 owners has to be pretty bad being that the PS3 outsells all HD-DVD players combined by 10 to 1 and yet sales of discs are only double.
"

==> a price reduction in the HD DVD of the Xbox360 or even an Xbox360 HD (HD DVD included) would help a lot too ...



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Passenger57 on 07 December 2007
libellule said:
 Sony : "ENOUGHT PLAYED, LET'S WIN !!!!!!"  (libellule)
http://www.tvpredictions.com/business120707.htm
 
 
News
Business Week: Blu-ray Is Winning
The publication says it could get Warner endorsement.
By Swanni
 
Washington, D.C. (December 7, 2007) -- Blu-ray has emerged as the clear front runner in the high-def DVD format war against HD DVD.

That's according to an analysis published today by Business Week magazine.

The publication, which has considerable influence in the financial world, writes that Blu-ray still holds the greatest support among Hollywood studios. Four major studios now back Blu-ray exclusively while only two support HD DVD exclusively.

Consequently, Business Week says, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has outsold HD DVD by roughly 2-1 for the past year.

Additionally, the publication reports that Sony may be close to landing an exclusive endorsement from Warner Bros., which until now has released films in both formats.

"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of Blu-ray supporter Lionsgate, tells Business Week. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

Business Week added that  "either side could (win the Warner endorsement)...but the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front runner."

"Persuading it (Warner) to sign an exclusive deal would give the Sony crowd about 70% of DVD market share. That could prompt the other studios to abandon HD DVD," the publication writes.

Business Week notes that if Warner were to join HD DVD, the format war would be stalemated.

"That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales. That's exactly why Warner has long pushed for a single format," it said
==> the best way to kill the Xbox360 in NA ?

 

I don't think anything Sony does will kill the 360.

 




 

HappySqurriel on 07 December 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
HappySqurriel said:
 

Even if the PS3 was as poorly recieved as the Dreamcast it would have ensured that Blu-Ray would be the front runner at this point in time.

HD-DVD's opportunity to make this a much more even competition will come in 2008 being that HD-DVD players will be (at least) $200 cheaper than the cheapest Blu-Ray players for the entire year, and may hit the $99 mark for Christmas 2008 which will make them very attractive to the more mainstream audience.

Blu-Ray can effectively prevent a comeback from HD-DVD if either PS3 sales increase to double their current level or there is a dramatic increase in the sales of Blu-Ray movies to PS3 owners; at the moment per-unit sales of Blu-Ray titles to PS3 owners has to be pretty bad being that the PS3 outsells all HD-DVD players combined by 10 to 1 and yet sales of discs are only double.


Um, you still need an HDTV to play HD movies. So if just a small fraction of PS3 owners have HDTVs, of course about the same number would be buying blu-ray. 


With price, feature set, and the fact that all PS3 owners are currently "ealry adopters" I think it would be unrealistic to expect that most PS3 owners do not own an HDTV ...

The real reason why per-unit movie sales are so low on the PS3 is that someone who is a gamer is far less likely to buy a movie than someone who is a movie collector; I would expect that 90% of PS3 owners bought a PS3 primarily to play PS3 games whereas 100% of stand-alone HD-DVD players were bought to watch movies.



LordTheNightKnight on 07 December 2007
HappySqurriel said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
HappySqurriel said:
 

Even if the PS3 was as poorly recieved as the Dreamcast it would have ensured that Blu-Ray would be the front runner at this point in time.

HD-DVD's opportunity to make this a much more even competition will come in 2008 being that HD-DVD players will be (at least) $200 cheaper than the cheapest Blu-Ray players for the entire year, and may hit the $99 mark for Christmas 2008 which will make them very attractive to the more mainstream audience.

Blu-Ray can effectively prevent a comeback from HD-DVD if either PS3 sales increase to double their current level or there is a dramatic increase in the sales of Blu-Ray movies to PS3 owners; at the moment per-unit sales of Blu-Ray titles to PS3 owners has to be pretty bad being that the PS3 outsells all HD-DVD players combined by 10 to 1 and yet sales of discs are only double.


Um, you still need an HDTV to play HD movies. So if just a small fraction of PS3 owners have HDTVs, of course about the same number would be buying blu-ray.


With price, feature set, and the fact that all PS3 owners are currently "ealry adopters" I think it would be unrealistic to expect that most PS3 owners do not own an HDTV ...

Early adopters are not a mass, hemogeonus group. The Playstation 3 for early adopters who are gamers, not necessarily for early adopters who are A/V fans. Those tend to get dedicated devices.

The real reason why per-unit movie sales are so low on the PS3 is that someone who is a gamer is far less likely to buy a movie than someone who is a movie collector; I would expect that 90% of PS3 owners bought a PS3 primarily to play PS3 games whereas 100% of stand-alone HD-DVD players were bought to watch movies.


So A/V early adopters are likely to get HDTVs, but more likely to buy a standalone player, to ensure the best playback. Therefore, the lower attach rate of blu-ray is not as serious as you claim.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

steverhcp02 on 07 December 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
libellule said:
Sony : "ENOUGHT PLAYED, LET'S WIN !!!!!!" (libellule)
http://www.tvpredictions.com/business120707.htm
 
 
News
Business Week: Blu-ray Is Winning
The publication says it could get Warner endorsement.
By Swanni
Washington, D.C. (December 7, 2007) -- Blu-ray has emerged as the clear front runner in the high-def DVD format war against HD DVD.

That's according to an analysis published today by Business Week magazine.

The publication, which has considerable influence in the financial world, writes that Blu-ray still holds the greatest support among Hollywood studios. Four major studios now back Blu-ray exclusively while only two support HD DVD exclusively.

Consequently, Business Week says, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has outsold HD DVD by roughly 2-1 for the past year.

Additionally, the publication reports that Sony may be close to landing an exclusive endorsement from Warner Bros., which until now has released films in both formats.

"The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of Blu-ray supporter Lionsgate, tells Business Week. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

Business Week added that "either side could (win the Warner endorsement)...but the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front runner."

"Persuading it (Warner) to sign an exclusive deal would give the Sony crowd about 70% of DVD market share. That could prompt the other studios to abandon HD DVD," the publication writes.

Business Week notes that if Warner were to join HD DVD, the format war would be stalemated.

"That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales. That's exactly why Warner has long pushed for a single format," it said
==> the best way to kill the Xbox360 in NA ?

Is this Warner reconsidering right now, or did Business Week just hear that rumor that Warner debunked?

The rest of the article is already old news, so this wouldn't be surprising.


 the number two at LGF......also, insiders form all over are confirming this RUMOR....it is a rumor, that is all...but its apparently going around....this isnt a regurgitation form a couple months ago




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