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Beja-Beja on 12 July 2008

PS2 and ps3 combined are in nearly 60 million living rooms in the US. Bravia is the best selling HD brand. Bluray is growing. Sony has sound systems, recorders, music albums, DVDs, and some of the nicest shows on television. Its pretty clear who dominates living rooms IMO LOL



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Cheebee on 12 July 2008

Yeah, man! Very soon, Microsoft will control everyone's living rooms! Be prepared, mankind! The revolution is coming! Embrace the way of life that is the XBox!



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Mifely on 12 July 2008

Sony owns the living room. PlayStations, Bravia HDTVs, Sony this, that, the-other-thing audio products. The Wii isn't a major player in the living room -- its an accessory. A very popular one at that, but nothing more. The PS3 and even the PS2 can be, and in many cases are, proven centerpieces in their role as media playback devices.

NPD studies have shown that some colossal number of US PS2 owners purchased it, primarily, as a DVD player. Something on the order of 70%, as I recall. %70 of tens-of-millions of households in the US... is a whole lot.  From that perspective, I think Sony's decision to have the PS3 include Blu-Ray makes a LOT of sense.

Why Nintendo left DVD playback out of the Wii... I will never know. I can't even replace my PS2 as a DVD-player. I still use the PS2 more. WAY more. Weak... ...except when they bring on the Nintendo 1st-party goodness, that is!



Dgc1808 on 12 July 2008

Am going with Mifely's words on this one.



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Final-Fan on 12 July 2008
ssj12 said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room. The masses aren't taking to this "one box does all" thing. They don't care. Most living rooms consist of a TV and a DVD and or VHS player. If a console is added, come the end of this generation, most will be Wii's. Microsoft isn't controlling a damn thing and neither is Sony. The 360 failed to control the living room the second HD DVD took a nose dive and Sony isn't going to get more than a foot in the door because Blu Ray's just not that big a deal yet. Many don't have HD TVs, and even many that do don't actually care about Blu Ray, or can't afford to buy in. I'm not even speaking on the PS3 itself, because that's understandable. The prices of Blu Ray movies are outrageous.
$4 - $8 more is expensive?

[...]

Actually I see plenty of Blu-ray movies going for $35 when they would have been $25 at most on DVD. So, yeah, much more expensive.



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L.C.E.C. on 12 July 2008
davidwes said:
I agree with most points onymeth, people seem to be rejecting the one box does all thing. But I don't think Nintendo is winning the living room war (although they are certainly winning the game console war)

I believe apple is winning. When you control the purchasing of content and the players for that content you are in a good spot. Itunes, Appletv, Ipod, and now Iphone. They are winning.

 

Apple is not winning. AppleTV isn't even really that successful. I bet more people have the Wii's than AppleTV boxes in their living rooms. Half of the people I know don't buy iTunes music because it is overpriced, even if they buy an ipod (which I don't reccommend). The iPhone doesn't go in the living room and neither does the iPod, last time I checked.  iPhones are already extremely high with a plan (hm... PS3 or iPhone???), and without a plan, they're practically the price of your first born child.




L.C.E.C. on 12 July 2008
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room. The masses aren't taking to this "one box does all" thing. They don't care. Most living rooms consist of a TV and a DVD and or VHS player. If a console is added, come the end of this generation, most will be Wii's. Microsoft isn't controlling a damn thing and neither is Sony. The 360 failed to control the living room the second HD DVD took a nose dive and Sony isn't going to get more than a foot in the door because Blu Ray's just not that big a deal yet. Many don't have HD TVs, and even many that do don't actually care about Blu Ray, or can't afford to buy in. I'm not even speaking on the PS3 itself, because that's understandable. The prices of Blu Ray movies are outrageous.
$4 - $8 more is expensive?

[...]

Actually I see plenty of Blu-ray movies going for $35 when they would have been $25 at most on DVD. So, yeah, much more expensive.

I also bear witness to the higher prices of Blu-ray movies that are less than 6 months old.

 




Onyxmeth on 12 July 2008
ssj12 said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room. The masses aren't taking to this "one box does all" thing. They don't care. Most living rooms consist of a TV and a DVD and or VHS player. If a console is added, come the end of this generation, most will be Wii's. Microsoft isn't controlling a damn thing and neither is Sony. The 360 failed to control the living room the second HD DVD took a nose dive and Sony isn't going to get more than a foot in the door because Blu Ray's just not that big a deal yet. Many don't have HD TVs, and even many that do don't actually care about Blu Ray, or can't afford to buy in. I'm not even speaking on the PS3 itself, because that's understandable. The prices of Blu Ray movies are outrageous.

 

$4 - $8 more is expensive?

 

Also if you ever pay attention to my Blu-ray sales thread so far Sony has captured about 6 - 7% of overall sales in the top 20 each week and steals about 8+ million dollars of revenue from DVD sales in the US. For a format that is a bit over a year old it is growing faster then DVD did, and yes I did post a link to a graph in that thread that showed that in the UK Blu-ray is growing faster then DVD did. I'd expect that by the end of the year Sony will control around 10% of the worldwide hard disc based movie market.

Ok I'll bite.

Best Buy's selling Batman: Gotham Knight for $29.99 for Blu Ray and $12.99 for DVD. Difference? $17

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8879939&type=product&id=1845941

Here's 10,000 B.C. on Blue Ray for $34.99 and DVD for 19.99. Difference? $15

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8801273&type=product&id=1855067

Here's John Mayer: Where the Light Is on Blu Ray for $24.99 and DVD for 14.99. Difference? $10

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8864133&type=product&id=1865265

Here's Vantage Point on Blu Ray for $29.99 and DVD for $19.99. Difference? $10

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8868923&type=product&id=1860169

Here's Fools Gold on Blu Ray for $34.99 and DVD for $19.99. Difference? $15

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8801353&type=product&id=1852451

Here's Batman Begins on Blu Ray for $19.99 and for DVD for $5.99. Difference? $14

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7429384&type=product&id=1484301

Here's the Spiderwick Chronicles on Blu Ray for $29.99 and DVD for $19.99. Difference? $10

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8828842&type=product&id=1854032

Just to stop you, I didn't hand pick these. I ran down the new releases list and gave every one I came through consideration. Not one of these had a price difference between $4-$8, so try again. Also Why would there be a large difference in price? Does it cost the studios an extra $15 to put a movie on a Blu Ray disc? Or maybe...just maybe, they're taking advantage of early adopters. Oh yeah that must be it. So my point stands that the prices are outrageous.

As for your second paragraph about the rising percentage of market share for Blu Ray movies, it's irrelevant to what I said. I acknowledged Blu Ray was growing and would be a dominating force when I said "Blue Ray is not that big a deal(...wait for it...)yet". The yet was to acknowledge that in the future, maybe by the time the PS4 hits, Blu Ray will be a force to be reckoned with in the living room. I believe that it will be past the lifetime of this current cycle of consoles, as I'm sure you do too.



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Gearbox on 12 July 2008
davidwes said:

People need to think back to when the original xbox was coming out. Microsoft at that time made it clear that they wanted to control the living room. When the PS2 was a dvd player and tivo's were getting more and more powerful microsoft made a decision. They would compete in the market with a game system. Ofcourse it wouldn't ONLY be a game system. It would offer movies rentals, live tv, etc. 

 

Look at some of these links:

Engadget says "Hello PS3, goodbye Tivo"

Here is gizmodo saying apple tv's main competitor is the xbox 360

 

So, if you agree with these statements, now lets discuss if the xbox is winning or losing!!!

First of all your facts are ALL wrong! Microsoft entered the console buisness because Sony said that soon the Playstation will replace computers. Microsoft said HELL NO! And decided to battle them out be4 it was 2 l8...

 



Final-Fan on 13 July 2008

^ Yeah, I predict that the robot wars will start in a similar fashion...



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