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dude, is it me or is this longer than your last one? i'll read this later so i'll have something interesting to do.
@bumidan
dude, is it me or is this longer than your last one? i'll read this later so i'll have something interesting to do.
| bumidan said: PS3 Hardware
Sony stated that they will ship/sell 10 million consoles this fiscal year. Last FY ending Mar 2008, they have already shipped 9.24 million consoles. I am fairly optimistic that they will beat those numbers.
Therefore for my projections, I will use a figure of 11(*) million consoles.
From the previous threads, the loss per console for the PS3 for FY ending Mar 2008 was $210.50(*) . This was a $270(*) per unit cost reduction from the previous FY.
With more cost reductions, I estimate that another $150(*) of cost reductions and efficiencies will be shaved off from the hardware. I will be optimistic and use an average for the whole year of a NET LOSS of $60(*) per console.
PS3 Hardware = 11(*) million x ($60)(*) loss = LOSS OF $660(*) million dollars
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I find it hard to believe this estimate, Where are they getting this cost reduction from?
I could think of only 1 area which may impact slightly on the price "blue LED"
They would have so many cost increases this year. like
- cost of copper and steel "increased"
-Price of Transport "increased"
- price of labour "increased" although still a small cost in the products total cost.
real price reductions come from redesign, where they use one IC instead of many discrete parts. Thats a hell of a lot of squezing the suppliers to get 150 dollar price reduction after the previous one.
I would estimate $50-$75 price reduction only.
Predictions JAN 08
2008 PS3-19.5M(actual 19.5) XBOX360-23M(actual 27.5) Wii - 37M(actual 45.8M)
End of 2009 PS3-27 25M XBOX360-30 35M Wii - 48 63M (revised DEC 08)
Price Point
Mid 2008 Wii $250 Xbox360$249 Xbox360(HDD)$299 PS3 $399
Mid 2009 Wii $189 Xbox360$199 Xbox360(HDD)$249 PS3 $339
Mid 2010 Wii $ 149 Xbox360$159 Xbox360(HDD)$199 PS3 $289
some points why i don't think that you can really do a prediction just based on these few numbers.
to see what other factors exist over 1 year i look into last fy:
first half of last fy they were selling the old models which still cost them a lot more and were probably highly deficitable, then in autumn they introduced the newer models and a pricecut, with rumors of production cost beeing in 400$ range by that time. Selling at 400$ still doesn't make it profitable since a lot other costs have to be added on the pure production costs, but i expect loss should have been down to less than 100$ per console by that time.
But soon after the 100$ pricecut in october last year, dollar/yen exchange rates started dropping too and prices for sony actually dropped by another 9-10% for the holiday season, and another few % after holiday season. Which i guess had a quite a negative effect on sonys earnings since that also coresponds with the biggest selling period.
for this year things look a lot better: ps3 is still at about 400 euro in europe which is now an about 50% higher price than in the us, so its very likely that they are selling ps3 hardware for profits in europe, while they might still have a loss per sold ps3 in the us. Its expected that the new shrinked chips will be integrated later this year so production costs should definitely go down again, and if sony doesn't have to do a pricecut they might reach hardware profitability worldwide.
Also starting with this april it seems that the dollar is going up again a bit compared to the yen (or maybe yen is dropping a bit) so its at 106 yen for 1 dollar now (lowest was about 100 yen in march which also might have made sony losses of last fy look worse in dollars, than if you would have applied an yearly average exchange rate).
so all summarised your model is very simplified since you are just dividing lossed by the sold numbers and saying they are averagely loosing this much per unit. While the indicator loss per sold ps3 is an interesting thing for watching how the ps3 evolves over time, i don't think we have enough data with it to make a valid forecast how that number will evolve for next financial year.
we don't even know how losses per unit sold evolved over the span of last fy. As an example PS3 might have been highly negative for the first period of the fy with slowly decreasing losses over the next few months. then a big change when they introduced the 40/80gb models and from that point on slowly reaching profitabilty. Its allready possible that they might have allready reached a profit in ps3 hw close to the end of last fy or start of the new fy if you base it on this model, since very small profits would still not have much effect on the big overall loss last fy.
But without knowing details another model might also be valid which has nearly stagnant losses per unit sold for the times before the 40/80gb models (&pricecut) and after that another loss per unit number which is nearly stagnant too.
also based on only 2 estimates for the fy 07 and the fy06 it is nearly impossible to make a valid projection.
(and for those 2 numbers its still very hard to say how valid they are since we don't know what sony added all into these numbers. they even might have split hardware developement costs across a few financial years before and after release)
Does he do them for the other console companies? If not he should.
man this is very detailed stuff...
ive read every single word
*runs out of room*
Only a couple of comments:
1) I believe the PS2 hardware drop could be significantly more than 15%, the current levels are more like 30% less than a year ago.
2) If the PS3 numbers increase a lot, the net loss per unit will come down as well since the fixed costs will be divided between more units. So, if Sony shipped for instance 13 million PS3 instead of the projected 10 million, the net loss won't increase 30%.
Those are the two things off the top of my head. I believe it is safe to assume that the PS3 "price reductions" are effective, it is already clearly past the launch period so Sony won't spend as much on marketing and probably there are not as much R&D costs to amortize.
Before I reply to some comments, I would just like to clarify:
The numbers and the explanations are to show the thinking process behind the analysis.
I thought this would be a better way to show people how I arrived at the figures that I used.
IN NO WAY, am I saying that my analysis is 100% correct.
But at least I have explained myself, as opposed to just coming up with a figure with no back up.
This analysis is pure speculation, and could be wholly incorrect, but this is a likely scenario. Sony losing fairly little (by contrast) on each PS3 sold, and making it up with PSP and PS2 hardware/software, and PS3 software.