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Kurakasa on 09 July 2008
Impulsivity said:
I sure hope it is a fad or else the non kid crowd is doomed. When I say kid of course I don't just mean small children, but adults who still consider themselves small children as seen in their choices. I mean I loved Mario as much as the next guy and played super mario brothers a ton when I was...you know...6. I also liked kool Aid, enjoyed horrible movies like camp nowhere and even once or twice used a blanket near the couch to make a fort. I'm not saying that an adult can't drink Kool Aid while sitting in their blanket fort playing kung fu panda, I'm more saying someone who thinks of that as the pinnacle of the video game experience is only chronologically in their 20s.

My wife has a friend who REALLY likes the wii and when I suggested she try games for adults like Uncharted, Oblivion or Heavenly Sword she told me that I wasn't "nerdy" enough. Somehow when I wasn't looking being childish as an adult became the new avant garde, which explains all the rainbow bright Tshirts I see when I walk past trendy young adult stores (they're usually next to the "old school" NES controller tshirt). Now I'm sure some of you are going to say that I'm being polemic and there are in fact plenty of adult games on the Wii and/or I just don't understand fun. The truth is that there are very very few adult games on the Wii, and most of the adult games there are (Resident Evil 4, Rock Band, Okami) are ports or Playstation games. To say I don't understand fun because my tastes have matured with age is also kind of silly, as if there's something wrong with growing to prefer the Sopranos to the Ninja Turtles over the course of two decades.

The Wii is a sad future for games if it really does end up "winning" which I hope it won't. It started at the sweet spot price (250, which is the same as 200 dollars a few years back when the PS2 dropped to 199 and sold way more then it had before) because it used outdated hardware so yes, it sold more. In terms of dollars the Wii has not sold much more then the PS3. The Wii moved more consoles but the PS3 users were willing to pay more to not be stuck with Carnival Games, Imagine Ponies and the 8th Mario Kart rehash as their only choices.

The Wii is a system that returns games to the realm of children and childlike adults, that pushes obsolete (and thus more profitable) hardware, that cashes in on nostalgia instead of pushing the envelope with new ideas (Wii Fit being the sole exception) and worst of all pushes stagnation instead of real innovation. I salute Sony for putting cutting edge technology out there even at a loss, I would hate to be in the Nintendo only world where console makers change the enclosure of their last generation box, give it a new controller and call it an update.

Could not agree more with that. I liked mario once too, when I was a little kid. Nowadays I really could not see me playing stuff like that. The same thing happened with movies, most of those I liked as a kid feel so stupid now. :)  Too bad that post will propably get you banned. It is not ok to say such a thing about nintendo. ;)

 



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Impulsivity on 09 July 2008
Paul said:
Impulsivity said:
I sure hope it is a fad or else the non kid crowd is doomed. When I say kid of course I don't just mean small children, but adults who still consider themselves small children as seen in their choices. I mean I loved Mario as much as the next guy and played super mario brothers a ton when I was...you know...6. I also liked kool Aid, enjoyed horrible movies like camp nowhere and even once or twice used a blanket near the couch to make a fort. I'm not saying that an adult can't drink Kool Aid while sitting in their blanket fort playing kung fu panda, I'm more saying someone who thinks of that as the pinnacle of the video game experience is only chronologically in their 20s.

My wife has a friend who REALLY likes the wii and when I suggested she try games for adults like Uncharted, Oblivion or Heavenly Sword she told me that I wasn't "nerdy" enough. Somehow when I wasn't looking being childish as an adult became the new avant garde, which explains all the rainbow bright Tshirts I see when I walk past trendy young adult stores (they're usually next to the "old school" NES controller tshirt). Now I'm sure some of you are going to say that I'm being polemic and there are in fact plenty of adult games on the Wii and/or I just don't understand fun. The truth is that there are very very few adult games on the Wii, and most of the adult games there are (Resident Evil 4, Rock Band, Okami) are ports or Playstation games. To say I don't understand fun because my tastes have matured with age is also kind of silly, as if there's something wrong with growing to prefer the Sopranos to the Ninja Turtles over the course of two decades.

The Wii is a sad future for games if it really does end up "winning" which I hope it won't. It started at the sweet spot price (250, which is the same as 200 dollars a few years back when the PS2 dropped to 199 and sold way more then it had before) because it used outdated hardware so yes, it sold more. In terms of dollars the Wii has not sold much more then the PS3. The Wii moved more consoles but the PS3 users were willing to pay more to not be stuck with Carnival Games, Imagine Ponies and the 8th Mario Kart rehash as their only choices.

The Wii is a system that returns games to the realm of children and childlike adults, that pushes obsolete (and thus more profitable) hardware, that cashes in on nostalgia instead of pushing the envelope with new ideas (Wii Fit being the sole exception) and worst of all pushes stagnation instead of real innovation. I salute Sony for putting cutting edge technology out there even at a loss, I would hate to be in the Nintendo only world where console makers change the enclosure of their last generation box, give it a new controller and call it an update.

Remember when Nintendo stuck with cartridges for YEARS after they were a good idea and everyone else had gone to CDs? Remember when Genesis came out and Nintendo kept pushing 8 bit graphics and inferior hardware only updating when they REALLY had to in order to keep market share? A Nintendo dominated world isn't good for anyone but Nintendo's bottom line. I still think that when the PS3 hits somewhere near the magic 250 price point in a year or so it will equal then surpass wii sales. Remember when the gamecube was 99 dollars (which the PS2 still isn't down to) and didn't sell a fraction of what the PS2 is still selling years later? When the PS2 is passed by the Wii (or the PS3 is passed by the next gen wii which is the same as this gens HD consoles in power) then feel free to talk about Nintendomination, but I doubt either of those will happen any time soon.

Why do you dislike children so much? They don't deserve a fun gaming experience that doesn't involve gunning down hoardes of aliens/nazis/zombies?

 

    I wasn't arguing for the 360 which from that comment you seem to think I am.

    Why is the alternative to kid games always portrayed as crazy FPS ultra violence?  Even when a game is based on an action premise with guns are you saying that there is no difference between the Godfather and a Steven Segeal movie because both have guns?  There are many many very good games for the PS3 that don't include any kind of outlandish ultraviolence.  Even in military themed games like Metal Gear Solid 4 you can go the whole game without killing a single person (actually have to in order to get the highest level achievements), there's a lot more to what makes a game adult then the amount of blood involved.  

   And I never said I hate kids, I liked kid games as a kid as I expect many kids today enjoy the same kinds of games (in which case its convenient that the Nintendo games have evolved very little).  The issue is more with all the adult fanboys who act as if somehow the Wii is a gift to mankind.  Loving the Wii is a product of regression into childhood as an adult pure and simple, if you embrace being a childish adult thats great, make fun of the name as a way of sidestepping that even, but I still contend that the Wii is a very negative development for an industry which was finally starting to come into its own as an art form.  No one is going to talk about how imagine babies and Smash Bros advance the stature of video games in any way.




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Kurakasa on 09 July 2008
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.



tehsage on 09 July 2008

I can't believe this is even a thread. Everyone who thinks this is a fad is just a fanboy.



MadHatter on 09 July 2008

I think the term 'fad' suggests something that is not exactly proffesional and well-thought.
And Wii IS professional and well-thought. So I would say that it's not fad -it's clever, innovative and 'brave' because it arrived with fresh, new ideas in a market totally dominated by Sony's consoles.



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irstupid on 09 July 2008
DirtyP2002 said:

Of course the Wii is a fad! There is no doubt about it.

Best proof: my cousin. She never ever bought a console and she never ever thought about buying one either.

But it was her brithday (15) and she wanted to get a Wii, because everybody talked about it and her friends told her how much fun this thing is. Now she got one and it was really fun to play wii at her birthday. We played the two games she received with it, wii sports and a very low-budget German specific game. Okay her birthday ended and the wii has not been used again, except for some times with her friends. She did not buy a game for it either. her birthday is like 6-7 months ago. But if you ask her about the wii she will tell you it is fun to play, still remembering these 4-5 times playing the wii with five or six friends in 7 months. So her friends will pick one up, too. So this fad will last very long. Well the Backstreet Boys were selling unbeliveable amounts of records for 6 years, too.

How can I say this without causing any trouble...?

I like Nintendo, I really do. But the Wii is not a gaming console to me. It is a kids toy. All I can say is congratulation Nintendo for making so much money with such a product.

HMM I don't know if I can speak for others but pretty sure i buy video game consoles as a toy. A form of fun entertainment. 

I'm not sure what your thinking of a "gaming console" is.  But mine is one that i buy a game, stick it in and start having fun.  And I hope that gaming goes back to that or at least nintendo stick to that.  Can I go on the internet, yes.  But do I, no.  I go to my computer, wether my computer is from 99' or 2009.  It still can do anything better than any of the consoles besides playing games.  (yes I know computers can play games better ect. but just saying this in peoples claims that their computer has 2 mb of ram and what not.  Cause obviously all these ps3 and 360 owners have the shittiest computers known to man)

And don't bring up Blu-ray.  out of the maybe 5% of people I know that have  HDTV, counting my parents none of them have a hd player of any sort.  And any of the people I know that have a PS3 didn't even care enough to send in the rebate thign for 5 free blu rays.  They haven't bought a single one.  And they don't plan to at its prices.   My dad did even own the lazer disc.  He learned back then to not jump into the format war and wait to see who wins.  But no adays the better thign is he doesn't eve have to worry about it.  he can just rent movies and that is all he is ever gonna do.  Only hd movies we own are movies we got for free from rebate things.

And I have seen HD movies playing on our HDTV and I could care less what came in the mail from netflix.  Wether it was a Bluray version of it or a standard dvd version.  They aren't enough of a differnece to make me lke the movie more.  So I don't htink that this HD movie thing will catch on as quick or ever like DVD did. 

The reason I say never is because who knows it seems digital downloads could be starting.  Of course normal poeple wouldn't know anything about it and see it too confusing, but also those are the same people who wont' be buying blu ray either.



Impulsivity on 09 July 2008
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

   What is this "new way of gaming" anyway?  Is it related to the controller which is so awkward with many of the Wii's biggest titles that after Smash Bros and Mario Kart came out two Gamestops near me were both sold out of old gamecube controllers people had bought to play those games? Is it related to not having voice chat or any kind of matchmaking so children are 100% safe?  Is it related to playing slightly updated versions of the same games that were big in the mid 80s and calling them new?  I really fail to see where any part of the Wii is new.  There were minigame collections, strange control methods (Eye Toy for instance) and childish adventure games long before the Wii came along, I can't think of a single thing that is really new or evolved other then the marketing.




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Faxanadu on 09 July 2008

Holy lord, what a disgusting thread, Many opinions on here are just obnoxious and irritating.



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deathcape on 09 July 2008
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

you really are sad...you do know the Video game market was shrinking in the last decade? right?....it's dying...

I'm happy Nintendo saved us...once again...or would you like a six button with one joystick controller ON the console...like in the arcades?

meh...if you don't like evolution..and actual growth...too bad ^_^

you'll go extinct..



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OGY on 09 July 2008

Its a Fad, but most peoples reasoning is way too generalised. Granted there will be people that buy it and don't buy any games and stop playing it. But i guarantee there is more that buy it and are always playing it and buying games.

PS3 is no different it is a fad as well, how many people buy the PS3 as a BRAY player and don't use it for games.

 



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