@superchunk: So you think they'll tell the current Arcade users who don't have a hard drive to F off? Doesn't seem very likely to me.

If 360 SC4 has also an install as it was reported a few days ago, then they're basically already telling Arcade owners to F off.

sounds good

@superchunk,

Only problem is that 20GB HD now cost as much or more than 60GB HD. It makes much more sense to simply drop using 20GB HD so MS can save money on HD. Otherwise they are selling the 20GB SKU for $70 less than the 60GB sku and the 20GB SKU costs more to produce.

I hate all these console revisions and packs. Makes me not want to buy X360. Microsoft are just telling me "we didn't make the console properly the first time...or the second time....or the third time".

And after all these revisions, it still sounds like a vacuum cleaner. I would love to get one for some the games, but I just don't trust the hardware.

ksv - So you'd prefer that 3 years from now, the biggest drive possible on a X360 would be 20gb?

Nah, I think that was debunked.

mrstickball-he's saying he would prefer that they made these options that they are planning to make in october/november, 3 years after the 360 came out, 3 years ago.

OT: for some reason i think its too good to be true. i hope its real but i doubt it.

so i am confused, how much are the dam consoles for crying out loud

Ever heard of Sony?  The only difference between Microsoft's SKU's is storage space--Sony's have full BC, half-BC, no BC, 2 USB ports, 4 USB ports, wireless, non-wireless, SD card slots, no SD card slots--you tell me who is more confusing.