Oh that's horrible. That kind of "therapy" can really fuck people up, and then it takes years or decades of real therapy to snap them out of it. That really destroys people's lives.

Hah reminds me of Southpark. Was something like

"I myself had a problem with being gay."

"We know reverend"

"Let me talk to him and I shall change him!"

"That's what you said about Peterson!"

"Yeah! And you had sex with him!"

"8 times!"

Anyone seen the movie "but im a cheerleader" ?

This girls parents send her to lesbian rehab. its funny

I personally think homosexual acts are morally wrong, but I don't really care what other people do in their own spare time. My aunt's a lesbian, and I love her dearly.

Oh man the ancient Greek sex laws are great. They're more about citizenship than sexuality. They didn't really have a concept of sexuality back then because everybody had sex with both sexes. I had a class on this and was tested on this and it was awesome.



Basically, there were 2 types of Greeks: citizens and non-citizens.

A citizen was a male 30 years of age or older. They could take part in politics and stuff.

Everybody else was a non-citizen.

It was illegal for a citizen to be penetrated. (Penetration in all cases meaning vaginal, anal, or oral.)

It was legal for citizens to penetrate any non-citizens.

So you're a man, you're 30 or older, and it's legal for you to penetrate your wife and any other girls and any men 29 or younger.

If you're a man and you're 29 or younger, it's legal for anybody 30 or older to just grab you and rape you.


Here are the fun parts:

If you're a couple of men, both 25, and you penetrate your buddy, whatever, you're just practicing to be a citizen.

If you're both 35, and you penetrate your male buddy, you didn't break the law, but your buddy would have his citizenship revoked for acting like a non-citizen.

Also, if you're under 30 you can be a prostitute, and if you're 30+, they revoke your citizenship.

If 2 women did anything whatsoever sexual, nobody noticed because they didn't think it was possible because women didn't have penises. At the time all definitions of sex revolved around penetration.


What usually happened was men in their 30s would take young boy lovers, and it was always a pretty big age gap, not like 30 to 29 but like 35 to 15 or so. It was like taking an apprentice. You teach them what it's like to be a man, and you just kinda... bone them on the side. Some times it's a romantic teacher-student relationship with sex and some times it's just constant rape. Then when you're a few years older, you marry a woman and make some babies for the state, and when your boy lover's a few years older, he passes on the wisdom by getting a boy lover of his own. This was all considered completely natural, and was accepted, expected, and encouraged.


Basically, all the laws were sexist and based on having a penis and being old enough to use it right, and based on who was being "the man" and who was being "the woman." In many cultures, the laws are still based on the same idea. Somehow the one on the receiving end is gay and the one on the delivering end is straight. And this leads to the concept that all homophobia is based on sexism because "eww they're acting like disgusting women."


And the Puritan sex laws in early America are even funnier. I summarized those in the other thread in this post: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=925303

No problem with it.. I have a lot of gay friends.. don't think that in the Netherlands it's a topic anymore..

Are you sure about that Greek sex laws stuff? I am Greek and i've never heard of all this lol.

i dont have a problem with gays as long as they dont dress up like women and look at you as if they wanna have sex with you.

@dark: it's a very specific period in ancient Greece.

This was ancient Greece, and as you can imagine, the Greece of today wouldn't exactly be covering this in school. In fact, nobody really covers this in school because most people want to pretend gayness just popped out of nowhere and hasn't been around forever in all cultures and countries on the planet. I got lucky and found a class all about sex laws, gay laws, gay history, and the history of gay studies.


If you don't believe me, I understand, it's on Wikipedia, and they cite their sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Homosexuality

That's about the scholarly work in 1978 about all this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

And that's the overview article, which links to the specific articles about the military and the lesbians and whatnot.


The word lesbian come from the Island of Lesbos, because this one female teacher there (Sappho) had sex with a bunch of her students in the same teacher-student fashion, and it was the first time we had records of a woman doing that. But instead of naming it after her, we named it after her island? I guess Lesbian sounds prettier than Sapphic.

EDIT: I was wrong about Sappho.  She wasn't a teacher but a poet.  There exists no evidence of her being a teacher but for some reason during Victorian times they just made that shit up and a lot of people spread the nonsense to this day, and I got zinged.