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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Oh man the ancient Greek sex laws are great. They're more about citizenship than sexuality. They didn't really have a concept of sexuality back then because everybody had sex with both sexes. I had a class on this and was tested on this and it was awesome.



Basically, there were 2 types of Greeks: citizens and non-citizens.

A citizen was a male 30 years of age or older. They could take part in politics and stuff.

Everybody else was a non-citizen.

It was illegal for a citizen to be penetrated. (Penetration in all cases meaning vaginal, anal, or oral.)

It was legal for citizens to penetrate any non-citizens.

So you're a man, you're 30 or older, and it's legal for you to penetrate your wife and any other girls and any men 29 or younger.

If you're a man and you're 29 or younger, it's legal for anybody 30 or older to just grab you and rape you.


Here are the fun parts:

If you're a couple of men, both 25, and you penetrate your buddy, whatever, you're just practicing to be a citizen.

If you're both 35, and you penetrate your male buddy, you didn't break the law, but your buddy would have his citizenship revoked for acting like a non-citizen.

Also, if you're under 30 you can be a prostitute, and if you're 30+, they revoke your citizenship.

If 2 women did anything whatsoever sexual, nobody noticed because they didn't think it was possible because women didn't have penises. At the time all definitions of sex revolved around penetration.


What usually happened was men in their 30s would take young boy lovers, and it was always a pretty big age gap, not like 30 to 29 but like 35 to 15 or so. It was like taking an apprentice. You teach them what it's like to be a man, and you just kinda... bone them on the side. Some times it's a romantic teacher-student relationship with sex and some times it's just constant rape. Then when you're a few years older, you marry a woman and make some babies for the state, and when your boy lover's a few years older, he passes on the wisdom by getting a boy lover of his own. This was all considered completely natural, and was accepted, expected, and encouraged.


Basically, all the laws were sexist and based on having a penis and being old enough to use it right, and based on who was being "the man" and who was being "the woman." In many cultures, the laws are still based on the same idea. Somehow the one on the receiving end is gay and the one on the delivering end is straight. And this leads to the concept that all homophobia is based on sexism because "eww they're acting like disgusting women."


And the Puritan sex laws in early America are even funnier. I summarized those in the other thread in this post: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=925303

Are you sure about that Greek sex laws stuff? I am Greek and i've never heard of all this lol.