Sony couldn't have rumble because they were in litigation. They didn't randomly decide let's get rid of this feature for no reason...

They made up excuses for it later, but they didn't do it on a whim.

ckmlb said: Sony couldn't have rumble because they were in litigation. They made up excuses for it later

That would have said it better.

MikeB said: @ Darc Requiem I disagree Mike. If the PS3 cost as much as the Wii it would have to have several features stripped from it and it chipset would be much weaker. If the Wii was the same price as the PS3 it would comparable in power and most likely have an HD-DVD based medium. Their is a difference in price for a reason. Whether is be PS3, 360, or Wii each systems cost is directly connected to each companies design philosphy. It is why the "what if x console cost as much as y console argument" is a useless one. If the PS3 would have a different much weaker design, for instance lacking the Cell processor it wouldn't be a PS3 and I would probably have skipped this console generation entirely as well.

And if the Wii cost $600, it would have HD graphics and a hard drive.  I don't see the point of this comparison.

MikeB said: @ Darc Requiem I disagree Mike. If the PS3 cost as much as the Wii it would have to have several features stripped from it and it chipset would be much weaker. If the Wii was the same price as the PS3 it would comparable in power and most likely have an HD-DVD based medium. Their is a difference in price for a reason. Whether is be PS3, 360, or Wii each systems cost is directly connected to each companies design philosphy. It is why the "what if x console cost as much as y console argument" is a useless one. If the PS3 would have a different much weaker design, for instance lacking the Cell processor it wouldn't be a PS3 and I would probably have skipped this console generation entirely as well. The power of a system and provided features are crucial to me. For example the Amiga allowed me to play games and do things which were simply not possible to do on a NES, the two solutions existed next to eachother with their gaming heydays starting around 1988. The Amiga allowed me to play 90s quality games in the 80s, the Amiga had a far more diverse games library than for example the Snes (released here in Europe in 1992) which apart from Super Mario World was by far more impressive to me.

You missed my point Mike. The "what if the PS3 was the same price as the Wii argument" is pointless. It is too flawed to be mentioned and should never be used in any credible argument. A $250 PS3 would not be the same system as the $600 PS3, a $600 Wii would not be the same system as the $250. This is just as flawed as the rampant and incorrect economy car vs. luxury car analogy used to compare the Wii and PS3.

If you're going to do what if the PS3 was $250, you might as well be fair and ask what if the Wii was free.

ckmlb said: Sony couldn't have rumble because they were in litigation. They didn't randomly decide let's get rid of this feature for no reason... They made up excuses for it later, but they didn't do it on a whim.

Lol. By "litigation" you mean refusing to pay the company who developed the technology the dualshock uses and getting tied up in a lengthy and bitter court battle over the patent Sony stole where Sony eventually loss and had to pay out 91 million dollars. Oh funny choice of words you use, and I'm the fanboy? Lol!

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060313-6366.html

Lol!

Darc Requiem said: MikeB said: @ Darc Requiem I disagree Mike. If the PS3 cost as much as the Wii it would have to have several features stripped from it and it chipset would be much weaker. If the Wii was the same price as the PS3 it would comparable in power and most likely have an HD-DVD based medium. Their is a difference in price for a reason. Whether is be PS3, 360, or Wii each systems cost is directly connected to each companies design philosphy. It is why the "what if x console cost as much as y console argument" is a useless one. If the PS3 would have a different much weaker design, for instance lacking the Cell processor it wouldn't be a PS3 and I would probably have skipped this console generation entirely as well. The power of a system and provided features are crucial to me. For example the Amiga allowed me to play games and do things which were simply not possible to do on a NES, the two solutions existed next to eachother with their gaming heydays starting around 1988. The Amiga allowed me to play 90s quality games in the 80s, the Amiga had a far more diverse games library than for example the Snes (released here in Europe in 1992) which apart from Super Mario World was by far more impressive to me. You missed my point Mike. The "what if the PS3 was the same price as the Wii argument" is pointless. It is too flawed to be mentioned and should never be used in any credible argument. A $250 PS3 would not be the same system as the $600 PS3, a $600 Wii would not be the same system as the $250. This is just as flawed as the rampant and incorrect economy car vs. luxury car analogy used to compare the Wii and PS3.

 yea.. but we all know the Wii is overpriced.. Nintendo could easily have sold it at $200 and made a profit.

ssj12 said: Darc Requiem said: MikeB said: @ Darc Requiem I disagree Mike. If the PS3 cost as much as the Wii it would have to have several features stripped from it and it chipset would be much weaker. If the Wii was the same price as the PS3 it would comparable in power and most likely have an HD-DVD based medium. Their is a difference in price for a reason. Whether is be PS3, 360, or Wii each systems cost is directly connected to each companies design philosphy. It is why the "what if x console cost as much as y console argument" is a useless one. If the PS3 would have a different much weaker design, for instance lacking the Cell processor it wouldn't be a PS3 and I would probably have skipped this console generation entirely as well. The power of a system and provided features are crucial to me. For example the Amiga allowed me to play games and do things which were simply not possible to do on a NES, the two solutions existed next to eachother with their gaming heydays starting around 1988. The Amiga allowed me to play 90s quality games in the 80s, the Amiga had a far more diverse games library than for example the Snes (released here in Europe in 1992) which apart from Super Mario World was by far more impressive to me. You missed my point Mike. The "what if the PS3 was the same price as the Wii argument" is pointless. It is too flawed to be mentioned and should never be used in any credible argument. A $250 PS3 would not be the same system as the $600 PS3, a $600 Wii would not be the same system as the $250. This is just as flawed as the rampant and incorrect economy car vs. luxury car analogy used to compare the Wii and PS3.  yea.. but we all know the Wii is overpriced.. Nintendo could easily have sold it at $200 and made a profit.

But why not sell it for 50 dollars more and increase their profit margin by 2.5 fold. Please don't try and turn this into a Nintendo is unethical argument.

NJ5 said: Sony is working on a Sixaxis controller with rumble:   http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2007/06/14/ps3-controller-with-rumble-in-development/   How do you think they'll manage the introduction of the new controllers? Offering a free upgrade to their customers, or making it an optional purchase and therefore not a main feature of the PS3?

Sony has already missed out on whatever benefits of the rumble would have and without SOME KIND of freebie promotion, developers won't support it, and its inclusion won't really matter.  Therefore, I would expect that Sony would either discount the price of new rumble controllers, or give a lot of them away in contests, or include a free one with an expensive game (Agency, Warhawk, etc).

@ Darc Requim

Actually I always tried to avoid comparing the Nintendo Wii with the PS3 because of this. They are geared towards different consumers and IMO have different future outlooks. It changed due to reading so many Nintendo Wii / PS3 sales comparison articles.

For example there was a cheap Amiga 1200 homecomputer model available and a much more expensive Amiga 4000 heavily expandable and more powerful desktop model available. Both products were geared towards different users, although manyy people would have preferred to own an Amiga 4000, unsurprisingly the Amiga 1200 model considerably outsold it.

IMO the PS3 and Wii are playing in different leagues, IMO the Wii at this point competes more with the PS2 than it does with the PS3.