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HappySqurriel on 17 June 2007
CrazzyMan said:
Wii - is a different audience, so it doesn`t matter how much it will be sold, maybe some developers will make more games for it, but those games will be less hardcore and not like MGS, FF, GT, RE, SH.
Wii is not a competitor for ps3, it`s more like ADD ON to it.

x360? only 6,5 mln. outsell. That`s is nothing in 120 mln. gamers base. When gears of war came, there was only ~3 mln. of x360 sold in USA. And that game got sold over 4 mln. in next several month.
PS3 already 1,5 mln. sold in USA, by november it probably will be around 3 mln. too.

With how the PS3 is selling it is quite clear that it will (probably) sell worse than the Gamecube in its life; it is about time you came to understand this.

Unfortunately, you can`t prove that.
To my opinion, PS3 is a must have console.
It`s not like noone wants ps3? PS3 games are in most wanted list by famitsu. PS3 is one of most wanted hardwae on different sites.
Price will drop with time.

Some gamers will choice high failure rate having x360 for now, and then buy ps3, other will chose ps3.
Why? because very soon multiplatfomr games will look a lot better on PS3, developers already getting better with ps3 (Oblivion and Haze are nice examples). And some games, wich graphically own all what x360 can offer are comming in near year. =)

You're making many assumptions which are probably not true; your assumptions are:

  • The Wii isn't selling to the PS3's target demographic. This is false because most of the people who have currently bought the Wii are hard-core early adopter gamers; these people are exactly who the PS3 is targeted at.
  • A Wii purchase doesn't prevent a PS3 purchase. The number of multi-console households is amazingly small so once a console has been purchased it effectively blocks the purchase of other consoles.
  • The PS3 can comeback. This is a common assumption across multiple threads; people commonly claim that the PS3 will perform well in 2011+ because it was designed for 10 years. The fact is that the industry is designed like a big feedback loop which will prevent this from happening. In 2 years when the price of the PS3 is at a level where most people are willing to be paying for it, the PS3 will have performed so poorly that few games will be available for it; thus it will be in a position where people can afford it but don't want it.


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Parokki on 17 June 2007
CrazzyMan said:
Weak launch - DONE.
Some inovations(blu-ray/cell) - DONE.
High Price - DONE.
Big criticism from media - DONE.
To sell over 100 mln. PS3 - IN PROGRESS.

Laucnhing a year before the competition - NO

Price is only 133% of the cheapest competitor - NO

Any chance of ever reaching mass-market price ($200 and less) - NO

Adoption of well-established format - NO 



CrazzyMan on 17 June 2007

Laucnhing a year before the competition - NO
same goes for PS2 vs dreamcast.
Price is only 133% of the cheapest competitor - NO
dreamcast - 150$, ps2 - 300$, it`s like 200%. =))
Any chance of ever reaching mass-market price ($200 and less) - NO
if with 600$ ps3 buy minimum 80k, then what will happen when will be 100$ price drop, 200$, 300$. You don`t know? neither i do. =))
Can you say, hjow much will increase sales with 100$ price drop? how much with 200$ price drop?
Adoption of well-established format - NO
No atleast for now. =)) But Sony are wathhing FAR beyond, they know what they are doing. =)




Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

CrazzyMan on 17 June 2007

The Wii isn't selling to the PS3's target demographic. This is false because most of the people who have currently bought the Wii are hard-core early adopter gamers; these people are exactly who the PS3 is targeted at.

Can you prove that? NO.
while i seeing software sales of zelda, can say, that 50% of Wii users are casuals. + i don`t see a problem for people getting ps3 for graphics and Wii for motion sensing. Why you see?

A Wii purchase doesn't prevent a PS3 purchase. The number of multi-console households is amazingly small so once a console has been purchased it effectively blocks the purchase of other consoles.

That means Wii60 is not popular, and all this stuff is only xbots imagination? ok, thnx for that. =)))

In 2 years when the price of the PS3 is at a level where most people are willing to be paying for it, the PS3 will have performed so poorly that few games will be available for it; thus it will be in a position where people can afford it but don't want it.

Can you prove that? NO.

ps3 will do just fine, because ps3 is a must have console:

for racing sims fans - GT5, F1
for Team ICo games fans - 2 Team Ico projects
for Tekken fans - Tekken 6
for MGS fans - MGS4
for FF fans - FFXIII, FFXIIIv
for turrican fans - factor 5 turrican
for god of war fans - gow3
for kh fans - kingdom hears 3
for z.o.e. fans - z.o.e. 3

and so on. :)

M$ won`t get every ps title. Why? because when FFXIII, MGS4, GT5, KZ2, G3, 8days, LBP, Uncharted, Tekken6 will be released, PS3 will have over 10 mln. user base, while M$ in best way 20 mln. in worst 15 mln.

And 10 mln. vs 15 mln. doesn`t look so scaring like 3.5 mln. vs 10 mln. =))



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

takkxyz on 17 June 2007
CrazzyMan said:
The Wii isn't selling to the PS3's target demographic. This is false because most of the people who have currently bought the Wii are hard-core early adopter gamers; these people are exactly who the PS3 is targeted at.

Can you prove that? NO.
while i seeing software sales of zelda, can say, that 50% of Wii users are casuals. + i don`t see a problem for people getting ps3 for graphics and Wii for motion sensing. Why you see?

A Wii purchase doesn't prevent a PS3 purchase. The number of multi-console households is amazingly small so once a console has been purchased it effectively blocks the purchase of other consoles.

That means Wii60 is not popular, and all this stuff is only xbots imagination? ok, thnx for that. =)))

In 2 years when the price of the PS3 is at a level where most people are willing to be paying for it, the PS3 will have performed so poorly that few games will be available for it; thus it will be in a position where people can afford it but don't want it.

Can you prove that? NO.

ps3 will do just fine, because ps3 is a must have console:

for racing sims fans - GT5, F1
for Team ICo games fans - 2 Team Ico projects
for Tekken fans - Tekken 6
for MGS fans - MGS4
for FF fans - FFXIII, FFXIIIv
for turrican fans - factor 5 turrican
for god of war fans - gow3
for kh fans - kingdom hears 3
for z.o.e. fans - z.o.e. 3

and so on. :)

M$ won`t get every ps title. Why? because when FFXIII, MGS4, GT5, KZ2, G3, 8days, LBP, Uncharted, Tekken6 will be released, PS3 will have over 10 mln. user base, while M$ in best way 20 mln. in worst 15 mln.

And 10 mln. vs 15 mln. doesn`t look so scaring like 3.5 mln. vs 10 mln. =))

   Kingdom Heart 3 hasn't been announced yet, as mentioned in the thread you copied this from. Fan is arbitrary, a console is a must have only if it covers either a high percentage fans or a large number, this data gives neither.



I am a PC gamer, and also have a NDS now, but without access to a Nintendo Wii until End of 2007.

Currently playing: Super Smash Brothers Brawl(Wii), Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer(DS), Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime (DS), WiiFit(Wii)

Games Recently Beaten: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King (Normal; Very Hard after the next DLCs become available)

1 word: RTFA

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fishamaphone on 17 June 2007

Y'know, Crazzy, you can't prove any of that either.

If you've gotta be a hypocrite, at least be more stealthy about it.



CrazzyMan on 17 June 2007
fishamaphone said:
Y'know, Crazzy, you can't prove any of that either.

If you've gotta be a hypocrite, at least be more stealthy about it.

it`s a time proved logic, it doesn`t need proves. :)



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

GotchayeX on 17 June 2007

Whoa there. So because Zelda has only sold to about half of the Wii's install base, half of the Wii's base is casual? So because Gears has only sold to about half of the 360's base, half of its base is also casual? And Resistance has only sold to about half of PS3 owners...



Shido on 17 June 2007

This thread is so funny. Wait and see.



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CrazzyMan on 17 June 2007

GotchayeX,
gears is just another 3rd person shooter, kill swith + graphics, nothing more.
resistance - also just a 1st person shooter, not everyone likes fps.

and now, ZELDA is a MASTERPIECE, every true hardcore gamer, who has Wii, must play this game, or maybe you disagree?



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far