No it wasn't! Don't talk through your butt if you don't know what you're talking about cause I remember very well and the exact same talk about Blu-ray was said about the DVD feature in the PS2. As for those that say things like "you can't make a comparison. that was then this is now. No one knows what will happen" well I say this, the point is not to "know" the future but to have a decent idea of what could happen in the future cause having insight in any matter can save you problems with your investments. People & companies do this every day. It's what you use to try and protect yourself.

 A lot of people aren't very good with patterns and can't seem to connect the dots because a different scenerio presents a slightly different look.. but the pattern is the same when you really look at it. People that can't see paterns in a consoles life period end up as casualties when these consoles fail. They were people who had no doubt that the 3D0, Jaguar, and Sega consoles were the way to go and got burnt only to buy the same console they had previously said was not up to their standards. People don't seem to learn quickly enough thus the reason they'll keep getting burnt by console makers that will fail.

Yes I know this forum is very nintedo heavy and any Sony fan is always a breath away from being banned but hey, this forum isn't one I hold highly anyway so if you chose to ban me for my views then that's jsut fine, I'll always call it as I see it and as I see it most people who own a wii or 360 will buy a PS3 in it's life time. The same can't be said of the other two especially the 360.

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I honestly don't really see *most* people with a wii buying a PS3.  The point of a 'blue ocean' strategy is to open up into a new market, to get people who haven't been involved before buying a system.  That's what the Wii is doing, and to those people the Playstation brand means nothing.  If they look at it and see a (post-several price reductions) $350 PS3, they are going to say "Why should I get this? I have my Wii already, and what's this controller? That looks awkward and confusing." 

Some of them might even try buying one, and be so used to the wiimote (pointing at the screen being the main part) and not like how the PS3 works.  Especially because by that time, wii games will probably have learned to use the pointing to about as good as it is going to get, and it's even possible that some sort of 2.0 version of the remote with better IR sensors or inertial dampening will be out, making the use of the remote even easier.  These people will not keep their PS3.  I mean, why spend that much money on a gaming machine if you can't even point at the screen and have it do what you want?

Sure, they might be tempted for a Blu-Ray player at some point... but at 'some point' standalones will be cheap.  There's always a certain value proposition to be considered with purchases, and the new part of the market is not the part of the market that buys expensive things for the sake of expensive things. 

Chubear,

You're correct in saying that some people who used that type of argument against the PS2 are also using the exact same argument against the PS3; what you fail to realize is that (although it wasn't a a valid argument against the PS2) the argument seems valid against the PS3.

The PS2 was not an uncharacteristically highly priced console when compared to other consoles that had been released, it was the same price as the Playstation and (when you factored in inflation) was only a bit more expensive than consoles like the NES, SNES, and Genesis. The PS3 on the other hand is drastically higher in both absolute and relative prices as compared to most successful consoles:

Next people did question the value of DVD Playback being that (at the time) people didn't see much value in the format. When the PS2 was released DVD was a pretty mature format (3 years old), every major movie was released for it and every blockbuster was carying a wide selection of movies, people didn't need a new TV to take advantage of the format, the PS2 was an inexpensive player (you could buy a $150 VHS player, $300 PS2 with DVD or $350 to $500 DVD player) and Hollywood was producing good movies that looked amazing on DVD (Fifth Element, The Matrix, etc.). Blu-Ray is a brand new format that requires a new TV to take advantage of, will be a few years before Blockbuster caries a wide selection of movies, the PS3 is an expensive player being released in a time where people are used to paying $15 for a DVD player.

The last thing is sales ... The PS2 never had a slow period, it was one of the fastest selling consoles and it never gave up any ground to its competition. The PS3 isn't even in the same league of sales as its competition; its sales would have to double and the Wii's sales would need to be cut in half before this competition even gets close.

 i will repeat this once the ps2 DID NOT launch at the ps1 price the ps1 launched was $799 dollars to compete against the 3DO and CDI only after two years on the market did it hit the 300 mark. cause it wasnt selling that well at all. kinda like the ps3 the difference is between the two is the fact that the ps1 when hit 300 released FF7 so it took off this time around i see no dip in price that sudden cause of hardware costs. so if you wanna say "no the ps1 launched at $300 or $399" i will go get my 1994 buyers guid that has the price of the ps1 in it. thanks for playing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation

The launch price in the American market was US$299.00,[4], a price point later used by its successor, the PlayStation 2.

hmmm, what is this thread about now? =)
that ps3 won`t repeat ps2 and psOne success? =))

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/06/13/a-quick-look-back-a-strong-push-forward/

CrazyMan, since the Playstation is the same as the PS3 what system outsold the Playstation 5 to 1 on a weekly basis worldwide and gained a 5 to 10 Million unit lead?

and how this effects on success of playstation™ console ?
i mean, why ps3 can`t sell to 100 mln. gamers?
or if Wii will sell over 130 mln., and ps3 only over 110 mln. it won`t be a success for sony? =))

Maybe you missed my point ...

The Playstation's competition was the Saturn which sold as poorly as the Playstation at launch because Sega had alienated gamers, and the N64 which was 18 months late to the generation and Nintendo had successfully alienated third party developers. For no period of time was the Playstation ever outsold by any console ...

The PS3 is being outsold by both the Wii and the XBox 360 ...

With how the PS3 is selling it is quite clear that it will (probably) sell worse than the Gamecube in its life; it is about time you came to understand this.

Wii - is a different audience, so it doesn`t matter how much it will be sold, maybe some developers will make more games for it, but those games will be less hardcore and not like MGS, FF, GT, RE, SH.
Wii is not a competitor for ps3, it`s more like ADD ON to it.

x360? only 6,5 mln. outsell. That`s is nothing in 120 mln. gamers base. When gears of war came, there was only ~3 mln. of x360 sold in USA. And that game got sold over 4 mln. in next several month.
PS3 already 1,5 mln. sold in USA, by november it probably will be around 3 mln. too.