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ckmlb said:
ItsaMii said:

I agree with you that is why Shadow of Colossus is not a game like many others it is just some kind of boss battles collection. Metal Gear Solid is also some kind of interactive movie much like Dragon`s Lair. Well considering that the game can be finished under 2 hours skiping all cutscenes and that there is 10+ hours of codec conversation and movies (3:30 on the first Metal Gear) it a non game in the classic definition of game. We can call it a interactive movie with short breaks for boss battles with you want.


 No comment at all, complete BS. Yes yes they're both movies not games you proved your point...


You beat me to it ;)

I'm curious about Brain Age, is it basically like quizzes, trivia type stuff? And since when hasn't trivia been a game? There seem to be something like a million GAME shows that use trivia in some form or another.



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BS are your posts ckmlb. You look down on some games because they are not games like we are used to, but get all worked up when I tell you that the games you like are not that better. You called Brain Age minigames collection while that is not the case. You also told us we can play mind games for free. What is your point? You can watch movies much cheaper than what you pay to play these games. Some of them even have a better storyline (or any storyline at all, unlike Shadow of Colossus). There is also animes with plots more stupid and "pseudo intelectual" approach than Metal Gear. I am sure you will not ditch these games to do what I suggested so why complain that people prefer to play Brain Age.
I called Metal Gear Solid a "interactive movie with short breaks for boss battles" and SoC a "boss battle collection". I never said they were movies. The point is stick to your arguments and remember that it works both ways. If Brain Age is a non game for not having features like other games (stages, bosses, button interactivity) sao is Shadow of Colossus for lacking enemies, items (fruits and lizard tails only) and music (for a good part of it anyway). Metal Gear is also a game where you spend 70% to 80% of the time played watching or listening to it (do not include your boss battle retries).



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

vizunary said:
 

You beat me to it ;)  

I'm curious about Brain Age, is it basically like quizzes, trivia type stuff? And since when hasn't trivia been a game? There seem to be something like a million GAME shows that use trivia in some form or another.


 Trivia and quizzes are more like the Guy Game. It is a game where you answer questions and unlock movies of girl showing their tits.

Brain age is more like a brain training software. An accurate description of it would be a review i read at gamefaqs entitled my IQ +1. It does not make you smarter, it kinda makes your brain sharper. The game use some simple minigames (stylus and Mic only) that stimulate some of your brain areas. The minigames work with  language, logic, association and a lot of those stuff we are used in IQ tests. The part where it becomes a game is when you first test your Brain age. THE GAME FUCKING INSULTS YOUR INTELIGENCE. Most people get Brain ages of 80 (i perfomed quite well and got 65 I think). So your objetive is to get as close to the 20 range (best score). You do daily exercises and gets better with time. You can also compare your age with other people (making it somehow addicting). It is true that I got better at the minigames after some training (halved my completion time) but like Nintendo said it does not make you smarter. I got the 20 about a week after playing the game but I noted that some of my "intelectual work" at the real world could be done a little faster.So I do not think that the game is a scan

The game`s major problem is some of the gameplay. Stylus writing is not 100% (kinda like 80%) and THE FUCKING GAME CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE DAMN WORD BLUE. Still it is worth a purchase in my opinion (at least it may entertain mommy and granny). 



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

Blue3 said:
twesterm said:
Also, video game shouldn't and is not one of those hard words to define like fun. Video game is a fairly straightforward idea and an easy one to grasp. Why so many people think things like Brain Age and the likes are non-games just because it isn't fun to them it beyond me, but then again, I generally put those people on the same level as bricks or perhaps algae on intelligence level. It's my firm belief that merely being in the presence of those people can actually drain your intelligence.

some is is bitter.

 Its my belief being around people that think brainage is a game would put me to sleep form boredom.


Kinda like how bored you get trying to find a good PS3 game to play?



ckmlb said:
I like some people on this site who are so extremely against the PS3 and 360 that they tell you to go outside if you want graphics LOL, I'm not going to point out the strangeness of that but I am going to point out the same people play Brain Age to 'train their minds' when you can play brain teasers for free like everywhere (newspapers, magazine, internet).... makes a lot of sense.

Haha! Indeed. It's one of the funniest personal statements on this forum... hmm actually it also belongs to one of the funniest members.

 

Non-games. I don't know why people find name so important. Actually this is a result of otherness of games like Brain Age etc. so what's the deal. Is it a game? Yes, but also one thing is certain - it's not a "core game". Everyone knows what it means. I don't care how would they call it (non-games, non-core games, games for oldies etc.). The most important thing is totally different appeal of such product so name is required.



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ItsaMii said:
vizunary said:
 

You beat me to it ;)

I'm curious about Brain Age, is it basically like quizzes, trivia type stuff? And since when hasn't trivia been a game? There seem to be something like a million GAME shows that use trivia in some form or another.


Trivia and quizzes are more like the Guy Game. It is a game where you answer questions and unlock movies of girl showing their tits.

Brain age is more like a brain training software. An accurate description of it would be a review i read at gamefaqs entitled my IQ +1. It does not make you smarter, it kinda makes your brain sharper. The game use some simple minigames (stylus and Mic only) that stimulate some of your brain areas. The minigames work with language, logic, association and a lot of those stuff we are used in IQ tests. The part where it becomes a game is when you first test your Brain age. THE GAME FUCKING INSULTS YOUR INTELIGENCE. Most people get Brain ages of 80 (i perfomed quite well and got 65 I think). So your objetive is to get as close to the 20 range (best score). You do daily exercises and gets better with time. You can also compare your age with other people (making it somehow addicting). It is true that I got better at the minigames after some training (halved my completion time) but like Nintendo said it does not make you smarter. I got the 20 about a week after playing the game but I noted that some of my "intelectual work" at the real world could be done a little faster.So I do not think that the game is a scan

The game`s major problem is some of the gameplay. Stylus writing is not 100% (kinda like 80%) and THE FUCKING GAME CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE DAMN WORD BLUE. Still it is worth a purchase in my opinion (at least it may entertain mommy and granny).

I always found it interesting that everyone has troubles with blue. I never had issues saying the word "blue" at all, it gets picked up every time. I do, however, struggle to get it to recognise "yellow".

Must be my aussie accent, it usually goes a bit better when I say "yallow". Maybe you should try saying "blue" in an Australian accent. 

 



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I'm still curious why do we call these games non games. Why? Someone want to explain that to me. Games are meant to entertain. Does it always have to have some kinda mild action or violence. I mean I guess the quotations are surrounding it to throw out this is a stereotypical word but seriously. The only way it's actually a non game is if it's not a game. And seeing that in Brain Training you have control it's a game.

But Braing Training is a puzzler and a simulation. Sims is a simulation and it's a game. Tetris is a puzzle and it's a game. Why is games that come off as trainers can't be considered games. Sure it throws off it as helping you become sharper. But the game is intense in everyway. It's a puzzle game in actuality. Most of those trainer games really are just quick shot puzzle games. Basically a warioware style games.

Just thought I'd throw that out. Games don't always have to be the stereotype of action or violence. There's more to gaming than that.



ckmlb said:
I like some people on this site who are so extremely against the PS3 and 360 that they tell you to go outside if you want graphics LOL, I'm not going to point out the strangeness of that but I am going to point out the same people play Brain Age to 'train their minds' when you can play brain teasers for free like everywhere (newspapers, magazine, internet).... makes a lot of sense.

There is a difference: You can of course train your mind with crossword puzzles and other brain teasers that you find in newspapers, but then you are limited to one puzzle per genre per newspaper - then you have to buy another newspaper. Of course you can buy puzzle books, but then you will use a pen/pencil, and if you've done puzzles on pen/paper before (who hasn't?) the paper starts to get mighty messy by the time you are done.

Additionally, online puzzle games requires an internet connection, and having the same puzzles on your handheld doesn't depend on being online to work.

It's just overall more convenient.

About the "going outside for graphics" argument: Yeah, it's silly. Going outside will not allow you to see, say, Mount Doom or Monkey Island.



About the Brain Age "blue" problem:

People have a hard time because they don't know how to pronounce the word.

If they would only learn to say "brue" correctly the voice recognition would be spot-on...