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chriscox1121 on 10 July 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:

Let me give an example:

Say this is the ranking:

Player A
You
Player B


First you take on Player A and win.

You
Player A
Player B

Next Player B takes you on and wins.

Player B
Player A
You

Now you're stuck where you are for a week since you can't challenge either person.

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Words Of Wisdom on 10 July 2008
chriscox1121 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

Let me give an example:

Say this is the ranking:

Player A
You
Player B


First you take on Player A and win.

You
Player A
Player B

Next Player B takes you on and wins.

Player B
Player A
You

Now you're stuck where you are for a week since you can't challenge either person.

read the above post

 

Read the above post.

 



Riot Of The Blood on 10 July 2008

hmm

I don't like wow's idea at all. It might be good drama for people to ooo and ah over, but it would stale the list if you could only challenge people one spot ahead of you in the top five. That's not fair for the people who actually wanna play.



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Words Of Wisdom on 10 July 2008
Riot Of The Blood said:
hmm

I don't like wow's idea at all. It might be good drama for people to ooo and ah over, but it would stale the list if you could only challenge people one spot ahead of you in the top five. That's not fair for the people who actually wanna play.

It's only for the top 5.  The list will still move quickly, but getting higher in the top 5 will be tougher than just getting there.  Being in #2 will actually mean you're better than #3, #4, and #5 and not just that you beat only #5 and #3.

 



IvoYarido on 10 July 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
chriscox1121 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Hells75 said:
y if you lose you exchange pos with the winner i mean shouldnt he just go in front of you, im back behind fred now wth?

 

That's a good point. You shouldn't switch positions, you should just get inserted above the one you beat.

no, because people will lose their position without playing...not fair.

 

 

But is it fair for you to suddenly be below someone you just beat? All of a sudden you have to beat the same exact person again since you can't challenge the person you just lost to. And if you just beat them, you can't challenge them for another week so you're stuck in that spot for a week unless someone below you beats you. The system is broken as-is.

I understand the concern, but the system is the way it is to allow for the rankings to keep moving at a reasonable pace and attempt to be fair. If we had it at one step above only, people would be screwed if someone went on vacation or hiatus. Punishing someone who didn't play? Well if the 2nd place person went on a weeks vacation they could be knocked off the rankings list with enough activity. No matter what system we use something isn't going to be fair with it. We've just decided to stick with what we, in our opinion, believe to be fairest.

If your rankings changed, your time to rematch is cleared I believe.

If it were entirely up to me, I'd change the system to a biweekly tournament for points to assign rankings and drop the challenging nonsense. As it stands I work with 4 other people and I'm only really in charge of the rule set.

I still think the initial rankings should have been assigned by a round robin points tournament rather then opinion, but oh well.

 



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Words Of Wisdom on 10 July 2008
IvoYarido said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
chriscox1121 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Hells75 said:
y if you lose you exchange pos with the winner i mean shouldnt he just go in front of you, im back behind fred now wth?

 

That's a good point. You shouldn't switch positions, you should just get inserted above the one you beat.

no, because people will lose their position without playing...not fair.

 

 

But is it fair for you to suddenly be below someone you just beat? All of a sudden you have to beat the same exact person again since you can't challenge the person you just lost to. And if you just beat them, you can't challenge them for another week so you're stuck in that spot for a week unless someone below you beats you. The system is broken as-is.

I understand the concern, but the system is the way it is to allow for the rankings to keep moving at a reasonable pace and attempt to be fair. If we had it at one step above only, people would be screwed if someone went on vacation or hiatus. Punishing someone who didn't play? Well if the 2nd place person went on a weeks vacation they could be knocked off the rankings list with enough activity. No matter what system we use something isn't going to be fair with it. We've just decided to stick with what we, in our opinion, believe to be fairest.

If your rankings changed, your time to rematch is cleared I believe.

If it were entirely up to me, I'd change the system to a biweekly tournament for points to assign rankings and drop the challenging nonsense. As it stands I work with 4 other people and I'm only really in charge of the rule set.

I still think the initial rankings should have been assigned by a round robin points tournament rather then opinion, but oh well.

 

 

No they wouldn't.  You already have the if the challenge goes unanswered within X days rule.



ctk495 on 10 July 2008
IvoYarido said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
chriscox1121 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Hells75 said:
y if you lose you exchange pos with the winner i mean shouldnt he just go in front of you, im back behind fred now wth?

 

That's a good point. You shouldn't switch positions, you should just get inserted above the one you beat.

no, because people will lose their position without playing...not fair.

 

 

But is it fair for you to suddenly be below someone you just beat? All of a sudden you have to beat the same exact person again since you can't challenge the person you just lost to. And if you just beat them, you can't challenge them for another week so you're stuck in that spot for a week unless someone below you beats you. The system is broken as-is.

I understand the concern, but the system is the way it is to allow for the rankings to keep moving at a reasonable pace and attempt to be fair. If we had it at one step above only, people would be screwed if someone went on vacation or hiatus. Punishing someone who didn't play? Well if the 2nd place person went on a weeks vacation they could be knocked off the rankings list with enough activity. No matter what system we use something isn't going to be fair with it. We've just decided to stick with what we, in our opinion, believe to be fairest.

If your rankings changed, your time to rematch is cleared I believe.

If it were entirely up to me, I'd change the system to a biweekly tournament for points to assign rankings and drop the challenging nonsense. As it stands I work with 4 other people and I'm only really in charge of the rule set.

I still think the initial rankings should have been assigned by a round robin points tournament rather then opinion, but oh well.

 

 

I think the same like now tgm is at the bottom even though we know that he is the best here,there should be tournament I am trying to invite some of my friends from other sites to join so we can have more people to help in the league.



IvoYarido on 10 July 2008

If they go on vacation or something they are excused so long as they gave us warning and the excuse is legitimate. That rule is for people who have randomly disappeared.



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Riot Of The Blood on 10 July 2008

@wow

But it stops someone like me, a high ranked player, from being able to play on a regular bases. Keep in mind that the whole point of this is fun. How is it fun if you have a really limited number of people you can play with? It would get stale very quickly. We should leave it they it is. That way more people can play each other.



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chriscox1121 on 10 July 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
chriscox1121 said:

first off, thats even if you played the person before you. second, you can challenge the person you just lost to, but you have to wait a day for your rematch.  you only have to wait a week if you lost to someone you challenged. Third, if you drop two spots and challenge the person directly above you and win.  You then have the opportunity to fight 2 spaces above, therefore avoiding the person that you have been beaten by.  see....not broken, but balanced.  I'm not going to have someone lose their position and that hasn't even picked up the controller......that is broken!

 

So you can rematch anyone who challenges you the next day?  Why won't everyone be doing that?

And how is it balanced if you can avoid the person who just beat you?  Why even have the ranking at all if you're just going to let someone weaker get ahead of someone stronger that way?

 

1. yes, but if you lose then you wait the week.

2. the ladder is new!  everyone will be placed respectively with time.  The ladder is NOT accurate as of yet, but soon will be.  Also, someone who is "weaker" may have been "weaker" in those battles that day, but still may very well be the better player.  Also, if both players move up in rank or down, then they have a clean slate to openly challenge again.

3. another reason we must give players the opportunity to challenge two places higher and take that position is because we want the league to thrive and it must not go stale.