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CrazzyMan on 14 June 2007

That's still not a complaint.

then what it is? happiness because of DVD? LOL.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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KruzeS on 14 June 2007
CrazzyMan said:
then what it is?

An answer to a loaded question. 



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CrazzyMan on 14 June 2007
KruzeS said:
CrazzyMan said:
then what it is?

An answer to a loaded question. 


He didn`t say what IT IS. :P



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Tispower on 14 June 2007

I'm pretty sure that within a couple of years, most of the xBox 360s games will be multidisk, and although I dn't have anything against that, and have several multi CD-ROMs myself (C & C, remember changing disks depending on whether you were the US or Soviets in RA2? :P); I think the real sucker punch is when driving games and other games where there isn't any place that you can really put a chnage of disk. UNlike in FPS, RPGs etc when you have a storyline and cut it into parts. It's going to be hard for Microsoft to compete with GT5, as so far that is probably one of the most realistic driving games ever, when Microsoft only have 9gb, as I'm pretty sure things like GT5 will use more than that. It'll be interesting to see how much Forza Motorsport took up, because that looks like it's in a similar league.



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windbane on 14 June 2007
z64dan said:
Gballzack said:
It is kind of sad Blu-Ray's size is virtually useless in that it has to be filled up with redundant data just to avoid terrible loading times. Is Sony banking on faster readers in the future to avoid this "catch 22"?

Yeah having 25 gigs is pretty useless when 15 of the gigs are just extra copies of important info, stored close to other data so its faster for the laser to find...

I guess whenever games actually NEED 25 gigs, the loading will go from slow to incredibly frustrating.


Heh...you guys are funny.  The Oblivion guy complained that load times would be worse on the PS3 so he used duplicate data on the disc.  Okay.  However, seeing as how the DL discs actually read slower than blu-ray and blu-ray is the same speed throughout the disc, there isn't much to be worried about.

I'd also like to point out that all PS3s can install critical files like RR7, Oblivion, and others already do.  Ninja Gaiden Sigma will have a full install option.  In case you guys don't know, hard drives are much faster than optical drives.

PS3s will always have the load-time advantage.  Btw, Oblivion loaded twice as fast on the PS3.  A rather awesome port considering it also looked better and ran smoother.  I think it'll be ok. 



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windbane on 14 June 2007
mrstickball said:

It's not about space, it's about what's available and viable. DVD was viable because it was already in use for many things. CDs were the same way. DVD is still the only real viable option, because it's not proprietary technology that hasn't been adopted entirely by the optical media market. IMO, it's stupid to pump out non-standard formats. Look at what happened with the non-standard formats in many things: UMD, Gigabit Disks, GC disks. They were out of the ordinary and didn't work. Time has shown, even as far back as built in games of the Atari Era, that standard formats are the best, as they are the cheapest, most widely used, and decrease developer costs.

*sigh*

CDs were "proprietary" until Sony and Phillips introduced them.  Yeah, that's right, CDs are more of a Sony format than blu-ray.  I think those worked out well.  What was that cool device that used CDs?  Oh yeah, the Playstation 1.

DVDs weren't widely adopted until...what was that thing called...oh yeah, the Playstation 2.

I am not saying that history will for sure repeat itself because HD-DVD is hanging on, unfortunately (because blu-ray is the superior format but the supporters need to do a better job using it), but do not say that Sony formats always fail when CDs were far more a Sony format than Blu-ray.  DVDs were as much a consortium effort as Blu-ray currently is.   It's a shame that Sony has to lead the way all the time, though.  They could use some better help.   Blu-ray drives are in PCs, though, and Apple is a blu-ray supporter.  There aren't even hd-dvd burners yet but you can already get blu-ray burners and bd-rs.  

We'll see what happens.  If blu-ray can match hd-dvd players price by christmas it shouldn't be a problem considering all other factors are in blu-ray's favor. 

 



naznatips on 14 June 2007
windbane said:
mrstickball said:

It's not about space, it's about what's available and viable. DVD was viable because it was already in use for many things. CDs were the same way. DVD is still the only real viable option, because it's not proprietary technology that hasn't been adopted entirely by the optical media market. IMO, it's stupid to pump out non-standard formats. Look at what happened with the non-standard formats in many things: UMD, Gigabit Disks, GC disks. They were out of the ordinary and didn't work. Time has shown, even as far back as built in games of the Atari Era, that standard formats are the best, as they are the cheapest, most widely used, and decrease developer costs.

*sigh*

CDs were "proprietary" until Sony and Phillips introduced them. Yeah, that's right, CDs are more of a Sony format than blu-ray. I think those worked out well. What was that cool device that used CDs? Oh yeah, the Playstation 1.

DVDs weren't widely adopted until...what was that thing called...oh yeah, the Playstation 2.

I am not saying that history will for sure repeat itself because HD-DVD is hanging on, unfortunately (because blu-ray is the superior format but the supporters need to do a better job using it), but do not say that Sony formats always fail when CDs were far more a Sony format than Blu-ray. DVDs were as much a consortium effort as Blu-ray currently is. It's a shame that Sony has to lead the way all the time, though. They could use some better help. Blu-ray drives are in PCs, though, and Apple is a blu-ray supporter. There aren't even hd-dvd burners yet but you can already get blu-ray burners and bd-rs.

We'll see what happens. If blu-ray can match hd-dvd players price by christmas it shouldn't be a problem considering all other factors are in blu-ray's favor.

 


I agree that it's certainly not garunteed a Sony format will fail, but it's not looking good.  HD-DVD sold 60% of HD players last month according to another topic on VGchartz, so it's not only holding on but holding EVEN.  A 2 man struggle between the 2 will only result in them hurting each other's sales until something much better comes along.  HVD will probably be that replacement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc



CameronHall1 on 14 June 2007

How would a GTA game work for being multi desk?Linear games are easy for multi but open world non linear looks hard to do for multi desk



windbane on 14 June 2007
naznatips said:
windbane said:
mrstickball said:

It's not about space, it's about what's available and viable. DVD was viable because it was already in use for many things. CDs were the same way. DVD is still the only real viable option, because it's not proprietary technology that hasn't been adopted entirely by the optical media market. IMO, it's stupid to pump out non-standard formats. Look at what happened with the non-standard formats in many things: UMD, Gigabit Disks, GC disks. They were out of the ordinary and didn't work. Time has shown, even as far back as built in games of the Atari Era, that standard formats are the best, as they are the cheapest, most widely used, and decrease developer costs.

*sigh*

CDs were "proprietary" until Sony and Phillips introduced them. Yeah, that's right, CDs are more of a Sony format than blu-ray. I think those worked out well. What was that cool device that used CDs? Oh yeah, the Playstation 1.

DVDs weren't widely adopted until...what was that thing called...oh yeah, the Playstation 2.

I am not saying that history will for sure repeat itself because HD-DVD is hanging on, unfortunately (because blu-ray is the superior format but the supporters need to do a better job using it), but do not say that Sony formats always fail when CDs were far more a Sony format than Blu-ray. DVDs were as much a consortium effort as Blu-ray currently is. It's a shame that Sony has to lead the way all the time, though. They could use some better help. Blu-ray drives are in PCs, though, and Apple is a blu-ray supporter. There aren't even hd-dvd burners yet but you can already get blu-ray burners and bd-rs.

We'll see what happens. If blu-ray can match hd-dvd players price by christmas it shouldn't be a problem considering all other factors are in blu-ray's favor.

 


I agree that it's certainly not garunteed a Sony format will fail, but it's not looking good. HD-DVD sold 60% of HD players last month according to another topic on VGchartz, so it's not only holding on but holding EVEN. A 2 man struggle between the 2 will only result in them hurting each other's sales until something much better comes along. HVD will probably be that replacement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc


Those sales did not include the PS3.  Also, movie sales favor blu-ray in every multi-platform release except Planet Earth, perhaps. 



naznatips on 14 June 2007
windbane said:
naznatips said:
 

I agree that it's certainly not garunteed a Sony format will fail, but it's not looking good. HD-DVD sold 60% of HD players last month according to another topic on VGchartz, so it's not only holding on but holding EVEN. A 2 man struggle between the 2 will only result in them hurting each other's sales until something much better comes along. HVD will probably be that replacement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc


Those sales did not include the PS3. Also, movie sales favor blu-ray in every multi-platform release except Planet Earth, perhaps.


No, they don't include PS3 sales, but they obviously aren't helping. "The group also announced that HD-DVD is achieving a 4 to 1 movie attach rate over Blu-ray, and set a new high for movie sales in May, highlighted by more than 75,000 units sold in the last week of the month." A 4 to 1 favor for HD-DVD, which is HUGE.

Edited for source: http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=3039 yes you will have to follow that to IGN if you want the direct source, but it's directly cited.