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Interesting point of view and a bit controversial post, but i guess it was the intention.

So, if we look at the "console defining" games, then i agree you completely. But the thing is, that as long as the "2nd best games" (and below) are available, new or used, they still contribute for the library.
But the mindsets of people definately seem to have been stuck somewhere last year and i don't think it's easilly going to change.

@Montana: If we look at Nintendos definition about 2,5D, it would be games like Yoshis Story, Wario World and Luigi's Mansion. I think that's the best 2,5D definition i've seen so far. Wikipedias definition seem to be "Wikipedia information" again. NSMB definately is 2D platformer.



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Erik Aston said:

The conventional wisdom within gaming forums ought to predict the future of the market, not lag months behind.

Right now, the collectively held opinion underlying most discussion is that "360 has the best games," that "PS3 is coming back due to brand, especially in Europe," and that "Wii is selling despite not having many good games."

Here's reality for you: The 360 has the worst lineup, the PS3 is selling due to a superior strategy from Sony, and Wii has one of the best lineups in history.

OMG! How can he say 360 has the worst lineup! Easy. Where's the major exclusive? Nope, it ain't Gears, and it ain't Halo. There's a little thing that happens when a game which performs a certain job is trumped by a game which performs it better. It loses all relevance. Since COD4 was proclaimed "better than Halo," Gears and Halo stopped factoring into console buying decisions. Sure, 360 has COD4, AC, GTA4, GHIII and Rock Band, but those are also on PS3. A game lineup is only as good as it's exclusives, and where's the awesome 360 lineup not also on PS3? Forza? GT trumps it. It's pretty much Mass Effect and Bioshock. PS3 has R&C, Uncharted, GT5P and MGS4. None of those exclusives have been trumped or worn out their welcome. How can anyone say 360 has the best lineup when PS3 has matched it stroke for stroke for 8 months, plus MGS4?

OMG! Sony had a disaster 2007! They were saved by desperate price cuts and the PS brand! Sorry. Sony was stupid in the development of PS3 hardware, leading to the ridiculous price and a long drought of games as devs learned the ropes, but from the start the exclusives they were developing and buying had more diverse targets. MS took the cliche of targetting the core first and working outward to the mass audience, and did okay for the first part, but tried to figure out the second part on the fly. Now PS3 has the momentum and a more diverse upcoming lineup. That ain't brand, it was planned.

OMG! Wii is full of casual-party-mini-non-game-shovelware! True. Also true: it has nine exclusive games which have sold at least 4.5M copies. Super Mario Galaxy is the THIRD best reviewed game ever, and along with Zelda: Twilight Princess and Super Smash Bros. Brawl account for Nintendo's three biggest, most extravagant "core" projects ever. However, that trio is bested by Wii Sports and Wii Fit all but inventing two new game categories. And Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, Brawl, Wii Fit and Mario and Sonic already are or have a good shot to become the best-selling 3D platformer, racer, fighter, fitness game and sports game, respectively, of all time... including multi-plats. Those five plus Wii Sports will remain relevant well into 2009 with long legs and nothing on the horizon to trump them. In short, history is going to smile on this lineup. (Looking deeper, oddball artsy games like Zack and Wiki, Boom Blox, No More Heroes and Lost Winds abound.)

Of course sales numbers confirm that in the real world, this IS the conventional wisdom. Way back before Galaxy and COD4, our CW had more truth to it. But now, the conventional wisdom on us is that we're blind and irrelevant.

 

Other than that I agree completely.  :P

Ocarina of Time ftw! :D

Edit: Well actually I don't agree 100%.  Call of Duty 4 may be the pinnacle of shooters at the moment, but it doesn't make other shooters entirely irrelevant.  People tend to look at a line up as a whole.  CoD4 + Halo 3 + Gears 1/2 would certainly be more enticing to a shooter fan than CoD4 + Resistance + Haze (though Socom, Resistance 2, and Killzone 2 could easily change that).

That being said, I agree that the ps3 has a much more diverse library in the works.  Ratch & Clank and Uncharted are hard to match from the 360's camp, and LittleBigPlanet is in a league of it's own.  Even Resistance 2 could change the way shooters are normally looked upon, with it's focus on epic boss battles.



Seems to me like you're mixing opinion with fact. That doesn't work very well when you're trying to convince others that their worldview is wrong.



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Just take a look at the metacritic/gamerankings. 360 has the best library, followed by ps3. Wii has the worst library of games.



Makingmusic: Ugh, it's 3rd.



 

 

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MontanaHatchet said:
Makingmusic: Ugh, it's 3rd.

Huh.  I thought the ps3 version of GTA had dropped lower than that.

*edits post*

 



@Kurakasa: Now you are looking at a completely wrong direction. When you look at Metacritic or Gamerankings, you're seeing game reviewers score, which doesn't represent the average gamers opinions. Of course, usually there's variation in numbers, just like there are in gamers opinions too.
There are a lot of factors to take into consideration, when judging a consoles games library, such as number of titles, variation of genres and titles, their score etc. Better way to use Metacritic, than counting averages, would be combine all titles score and multiply it with the number of genres, and you'd get somekind of view about what kind of library each console has.

Btw. now that you mentioned, N64 had all times best launch library, which most likely will never get beaten.



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Eikä Japanisti.

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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

The OP = FAIL

The replies are interesting though :)




starcraft: "I and every PS3 fanboy alive are waiting for Versus more than FFXIII.
Me since the games were revealed, the fanboys since E3."

Skeeuk: "playstation 3 is the ultimate in gaming acceleration"

@bdbdbd

I think reviewers are much better choice to analyze how good a game library is than some "average gamer". Average gamer buys stuff like mario&sonic. If you go by that approach, who decides which game falls under which genre? :)



Erik Aston said:

The conventional wisdom within gaming forums ought to predict the future of the market, not lag months behind.

Right now, the collectively held opinion underlying most discussion is that "360 has the best games," that "PS3 is coming back due to brand, especially in Europe," and that "Wii is selling despite not having many good games."

Here's reality for you: The 360 has the worst lineup, the PS3 is selling due to a superior strategy from Sony, and Wii has one of the best lineups in history.

OMG! How can he say 360 has the worst lineup! Easy. Where's the major exclusive? Nope, it ain't Gears, and it ain't Halo. There's a little thing that happens when a game which performs a certain job is trumped by a game which performs it better. It loses all relevance. Since COD4 was proclaimed "better than Halo," Gears and Halo stopped factoring into console buying decisions. Sure, 360 has COD4, AC, GTA4, GHIII and Rock Band, but those are also on PS3. A game lineup is only as good as it's exclusives, and where's the awesome 360 lineup not also on PS3? Forza? GT trumps it. It's pretty much Mass Effect and Bioshock. PS3 has R&C, Uncharted, GT5P and MGS4. None of those exclusives have been trumped or worn out their welcome. How can anyone say 360 has the best lineup when PS3 has matched it stroke for stroke for 8 months, plus MGS4?

OMG! Sony had a disaster 2007! They were saved by desperate price cuts and the PS brand! Sorry. Sony was stupid in the development of PS3 hardware, leading to the ridiculous price and a long drought of games as devs learned the ropes, but from the start the exclusives they were developing and buying had more diverse targets. MS took the cliche of targetting the core first and working outward to the mass audience, and did okay for the first part, but tried to figure out the second part on the fly. Now PS3 has the momentum and a more diverse upcoming lineup. That ain't brand, it was planned.

OMG! Wii is full of casual-party-mini-non-game-shovelware! True. Also true: it has nine exclusive games which have sold at least 4.5M copies. Super Mario Galaxy is the best reviewed game ever, and along with Zelda: Twilight Princess and Super Smash Bros. Brawl account for Nintendo's three biggest, most extravagant "core" projects ever. However, that trio is bested by Wii Sports and Wii Fit all but inventing two new game categories. And Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, Brawl, Wii Fit and Mario and Sonic already are or have a good shot to become the best-selling 3D platformer, racer, fighter, fitness game and sports game, respectively, of all time... including multi-plats. Those five plus Wii Sports will remain relevant well into 2009 with long legs and nothing on the horizon to trump them. In short, history is going to smile on this lineup. (Looking deeper, oddball artsy games like Zack and Wiki, Boom Blox, No More Heroes and Lost Winds abound.)

Of course sales numbers confirm that in the real world, this IS the conventional wisdom. Way back before Galaxy and COD4, our CW had more truth to it. But now, the conventional wisdom on us is that we're blind and irrelevant.

Welcome to regret.



Predictions JAN 08

2008 PS3-19.5M(actual 19.5) XBOX360-23M(actual 27.5) Wii - 37M(actual 45.8M)

End of 2009 PS3-27 25M XBOX360-30 35M Wii - 48 63M (revised DEC 08)

Price Point
Mid 2008 Wii $250 Xbox360$249 Xbox360(HDD)$299 PS3 $399

Mid 2009 Wii $189 Xbox360$199 Xbox360(HDD)$249 PS3 $339

Mid 2010 Wii $ 149 Xbox360$159 Xbox360(HDD)$199 PS3 $289