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NJ5 on 26 June 2008
leo-j said:
NJ5 said:

Where should I start?

1- It doesn't run at 1080p, check beyond3d's pixel-counting thread.

2- That game has like 3 or 4 enemies on the screen at a time, while Ninja Gaiden 2 usually has at least double.

3- Ninja Gaiden 2 has better AI which consumes additional CPU power, especially with more simultaneous enemies.

 

 

Oh god not this again, I cant even argue anymore, with wii/pc fanboys on the attack I cant even say a thing, you won the 360 is so much more powerful than the PS3.

Because of your superior PC intelect.

You can't even say a thing? Might that be because there's nothing you could say? No one is gagging you...

 



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Million on 26 June 2008

Well even with limited developer understanding of the PS3 in comparison to the 360 the PS3 still manages to equal ( or even arguable surpass ) the 360 with both multiplatform and exclusive games.

I think the PS3 hasn't peaked purely because developers don't fully understand the archictecture of the PS3 yet.




FJ-Warez on 26 June 2008

Well NG Zigma is no 1080p

And above the RSX is the 7800GTX (The RSX is a modified version, with smaller bus)



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leo-j on 26 June 2008
NJ5 said:
leo-j said:
NJ5 said:

Where should I start?

1- It doesn't run at 1080p, check beyond3d's pixel-counting thread.

2- That game has like 3 or 4 enemies on the screen at a time, while Ninja Gaiden 2 usually has at least double.

3- Ninja Gaiden 2 has better AI which consumes additional CPU power, especially with more simultaneous enemies.

 

 

Oh god not this again, I cant even argue anymore, with wii/pc fanboys on the attack I cant even say a thing, you won the 360 is so much more powerful than the PS3.

Because of your superior PC intelect.

You can't even say a thing? Might that be because there's nothing you could say? No one is gagging you...

 

Ok then that explains why Ninja gaiden 2 isnt even 720p.

 

 



 

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Squilliam on 26 June 2008
leo-j said:
NJ5 said:
leo-j said:
NJ5 said:

@leo-j: Let's just say that the 360 came out earlier, and so far it seems any advantages the PS3 will get will be minimal.

 

 

You say so far, but we already have games that are much better looking on the PS3, not to mention the 360 has yet to top gears of war visually.

Which games might that be, and how many frames per second are they pushing?

 

Uncharted drakes fortune(30fps) - Lots of repeated textures, its technically less impressive than GTAIV which uses a range of textures to convey a diverse world. It may look nicer because that style is simply easier to achieve. It doesn't make it better.

Metal gear solid 4(60fps at times) I've dealt with this, actually the frame rate average was 26.2. I rounded it up as a friendly gesture. It gets as LOW as 20fps AVERAGE not minimum - remember that fact PLEASE.

GT5 (60fps) There is no XBOX 360 game that tops any of those visually. Agree on the frame rate. See below.

Not to mention killzone 2 blows those 3 games away. Subjective as always, will have to wait for the expert eyes to cast their votes.

 

I agree it would be an interesting test.

Unfortunately, the Euro version of GT5:P has no London circuit in the S class section... it only appears once during the whole event cycle. The London event has been replaced by the High Speed Ring. I did an arcade mode test but it's pretty useless in that the cars are evenly spaced. Best I could do was three cars on-screen once.

With three cars on-screen and close-up it dropped to about 57fps at 1080p but I only had the cars on-screen for around three seconds.

I can't go online because stupidly, PS3 TEST units will download updates but won't install them.

GT5p = Agreed.

 



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NJ5 on 26 June 2008
FJ-Warez said:
Well NG Zigma is no 1080p

And above the RSX is the 7800GTX (The RSX is a modified version, with smaller bus)

 

To be completely fair, let me summarize the NG Sigma (PS3) vs NG 2 (360) case:

1- NG Sigma does run at a higher resolution (1280x720 vs 1120x585), however NG2 has 2xAA (I don't know about NGS).

2- NG2 pushes more enemies on screen simultaneously, with improved AI.

3- Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a remake of a last-gen game, and that shows at least in some levels.

4- NG2 has a lot more things happening on-screen, including non-disappearing blood, gibs and dead enemies.

My point isn't that the 360 is more powerful that the PS3, it's that they're about the same. So far I have seen nothing which disproves this idea. NG2's increased detail and number of polygons/particles easily makes up for the resolution disadvantage.

 



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leo-j on 26 June 2008
Squilliam said:
leo-j said:
NJ5 said:
leo-j said:
NJ5 said:

@leo-j: Let's just say that the 360 came out earlier, and so far it seems any advantages the PS3 will get will be minimal.

 

 

You say so far, but we already have games that are much better looking on the PS3, not to mention the 360 has yet to top gears of war visually.

Which games might that be, and how many frames per second are they pushing?

 

Uncharted drakes fortune(30fps) - Lots of repeated textures, its technically less impressive than GTAIV which uses a range of textures to convey a diverse world. It may look nicer because that style is simply easier to achieve. It doesn't make it better.

Metal gear solid 4(60fps at times) I've dealt with this, actually the frame rate average was 26.2. I rounded it up as a friendly gesture. It gets as LOW as 20fps AVERAGE not minimum - remember that fact PLEASE.

GT5 (60fps) There is no XBOX 360 game that tops any of those visually. Agree on the frame rate. See below.

Not to mention killzone 2 blows those 3 games away. Subjective as always, will have to wait for the expert eyes to cast their votes.

 

I agree it would be an interesting test.

Unfortunately, the Euro version of GT5:P has no London circuit in the S class section... it only appears once during the whole event cycle. The London event has been replaced by the High Speed Ring. I did an arcade mode test but it's pretty useless in that the cars are evenly spaced. Best I could do was three cars on-screen once.

With three cars on-screen and close-up it dropped to about 57fps at 1080p but I only had the cars on-screen for around three seconds.

I can't go online because stupidly, PS3 TEST units will download updates but won't install them.

GT5p = Agreed.

 
I figured aguing with you doesnt matter, I am wrong THE 360 IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE PS3, AND THE PC IS A GAMING GOD.

 



 

mM
NJ5 on 26 June 2008

leo-j, as usually you're overreacting. No one is saying the PS3 is less powerful.

You don't know how to debate, so just don't.



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FJ-Warez on 26 June 2008
leo-j said:
Squilliam said:
leo-j said:

Uncharted drakes fortune(30fps) - Lots of repeated textures, its technically less impressive than GTAIV which uses a range of textures to convey a diverse world. It may look nicer because that style is simply easier to achieve. It doesn't make it better.

Metal gear solid 4(60fps at times) I've dealt with this, actually the frame rate average was 26.2. I rounded it up as a friendly gesture. It gets as LOW as 20fps AVERAGE not minimum - remember that fact PLEASE.

GT5 (60fps) There is no XBOX 360 game that tops any of those visually. Agree on the frame rate. See below.

Not to mention killzone 2 blows those 3 games away. Subjective as always, will have to wait for the expert eyes to cast their votes.

 

I agree it would be an interesting test.

Unfortunately, the Euro version of GT5:P has no London circuit in the S class section... it only appears once during the whole event cycle. The London event has been replaced by the High Speed Ring. I did an arcade mode test but it's pretty useless in that the cars are evenly spaced. Best I could do was three cars on-screen once.

With three cars on-screen and close-up it dropped to about 57fps at 1080p but I only had the cars on-screen for around three seconds.

I can't go online because stupidly, PS3 TEST units will download updates but won't install them.

GT5p = Agreed.

 
I figured aguing with you doesnt matter, I am wrong THE 360 IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE PS3, AND THE PC IS A GAMING GOD.

 

Well thats a very inmature way of reacting, but we know you already, and BTW nobody is saying that the 360 is more powerful...

 



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leo-j on 26 June 2008
NJ5 said:
leo-j, as usually you're overreacting. No one is saying the PS3 is less powerful.

You don't know how to debate, so just don't.

 

 Im not overreacting at all, it seems that every 360 game is more technically powerful than the PS3, including GTA 4.



 

mM