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Forums - Sales Discussion - Some sony fans to be dissapointed with FFXIII sales and its effect on ps3?

It seems to me that some people ignore the fact that the ps3 is NOT the ps1 or ps2 and doesn't have anywhere near the userbase, or will have anywhere near the userbase when FF XIII is released. They are predicting 7+mln lifetime sales for the game. These are some examples .


Here is why it won't sell more than 7 mIn lifetime maximum.

  Userbase- The japanese sales compete with the U.S as the most important region for a final fantasy game depending on which game in reference. For now I'm going to use X since its the latest entry that was the first of its console. X sold abou t8 mln lifetime. 3 million of these sales come from japan. Now look at the ps3s userbase in japan. Of course it won't be the same as it is now when FF XIII is released, but I think we could all agree unless existing trends change that the ps3s userbase will be in the 3-3.5 million range in Japan around the earliest time XIII will most likely be released( around march next year). Now in order for XIII to reach these Xs sales in japan iy would have to have an attach rate of about 90-100% if the ps3s japanes hardware is abou are 3-3.5 million at the time. Now this is without counting ps3s that are sold for FFXIII, but we can't determine how many of those will be sold. Now this is an incredible attach rate to have. Even higher than the   than wii sports which is about the same in popularity.  So I would say that the most it could sell in japan is a little over 2.5 million, and it will most likely bee under that.The userbase of the other regions is smaller too, but not at the level as japan. So you guys who say it will sell on par or better than previous installments do know that about every japanese ps3 owner in japan will have to buy this game if sales stay constant.

  Possible Competition-  FFX didn't have any competition . The gamecube was doing around ps3 sales and didn't get too many jrpgs, and the xbox was dead in japan. Things are different this generation though. The wii has most of the sales in Japan, and we are already seeing alot of japanese support coming from third parties, and first party games. There are many big games nintendo could release to negate any effects FFXIII has on the wii in this region. Examples being Zelda, New Wii Series Game, New Mario Spinoff, Pokemon,Monster Hunter 3 etc.  This is without mentioning rpgs on the ds and psp. An example being dragon quest. You could say all you want about Final Fantasy  being   popular in Japan, but so are games like pokemon, dragon quest, Zelda, Wii Series, Mario. Some even more so. Now alot of japanese would have to make a choice due to many reasons but the biggest one being a budget. Alot would pick FF,but alot of others would pick any of these other games too so this coud cause a decrease in sales. Also for other regions some of these games coudl be considered competition, and many 360 games too. Again alot of people would have to make a choice. Also during the time of FFX's release the gamecube and Xbox were just hitting the market.

 Others- If you look at the sales of FFXII, you will see that the sales in the region considered others didn't break a million. So we do not know that sales will go back up to the usual 2 million, and there is a great chance they will stay in the same area or decline.

Effect it will have on ps3 sales- FFXIII, WILL NOT save the ps3 in japan. Maybe if it came out near launch, but past trends show that once one console wins nothing could save it. Nintendo fans during the n64 days said that ocarina of time would save the n64, but did it? No, I believe it increased sales for a few weeks, but then it just went back to where it was before. So don't expect it so save the ps3, rather than boost it's sales a few weeks-months.

Conclusion- FFXIII, will most likely not sell more than 7 mln lifetime in all regions. And this is with me guessing square enix will boost western appeal for the game. It will probably more than likely sell 5 or 6 mln.lifetime, and there should be no reason ps3 fans are going around saying it will outsell FFVII, or sell 8-15 mln. I know it's not all of you, but quite a few are doing this. Also please only posts that are to agree or disagree with my argument, and they should explain why. I shouldn't see any 1 line posts that have no meaning, but fanboyism, and I've been seeing this alot these days. Also don't think I'm a good analysis, but neither a some people who actually beleive this game will be the best selling FF.

Now I'm not saying anyway sales will be bad since 7 million is really good even for a final fantasy game, I'm just saying people have their expectaiotions too high. I don't believe FFXIII will be the largest selling FF game though. Also don't bring MGS4 into this because theres a difference between selling to 25% of a userbase and to 90-100% of a userbase.

 

My predictions for FFXIII's lifetime sales are

Japan- 2mln

Others- 1-2 mln

U.S-  3 mln

Total- 6-7mln



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Just to say I dont expect FFXIII to change anything to the life of the PS3 in Japan ...



Time to Work !

well I disagree completely

FF12 was released in the month Ps3 was released....also remember FF9 and its low sales....well it had the same problem as FF12 (released when the next generation playstation was out)

so that reason is void imo.

MGS4 has proven that PS3 games can sell almost as well as previous iterations

also you have to see it will be the only important JRPG on PS3..so all fans will flock to it.

My predictiions are simple:

Japan - 2.5 million

Others - 3 million

NA - 3 million



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

It's nice to see that you provided examples of those who made these predictions. This isn't done often enough.



I agree with you when you say some people have their expectations too high.

This game will surely do well, and as far as I´m concerned that´s enough.

Since when is "doing well" not enough anymore?

I blame this on the many gamers who have gotten extremely paranoid about videogames.



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This makes sense...

Maximum possible: 6M

Prediction: 6-7M



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

Hmm, how come you give "others" such a low selling point? Have FF's always done this "badly" in Europe and such? I would think that at least Europe itself could boost FF up to 1, maybe even close to 2 million units, no? :-/



darthdevidem01 said:
well I disagree completely

FF12 was released in the month Ps3 was released....also remember FF9 and its low sales....well it had the same problem as FF12 (released when the next generation playstation was out)

so that reason is void imo.

MGS4 has proven that PS3 games can sell almost as well as previous iterations

also you have to see it will be the only important JRPG on PS3..so all fans will flock to it.

My predictiions are simple:

Japan - 2.5 million

Others - 3 million

NA - 3 million

Of course, that is why I compared it mostly to X.  Also MGS4 was possible, do you really believe that FFXIII will have such large attach rates? 25% vs 90/100% That is one of the reasons why I don't believe square enix will release it this year. The ps3 needs a much larger install base in japan, or they will have to make it even more popular in the west, with the cost of japanese sales. Also I highly doubt others will sell 3mln. X only sold 2 mln, and VII only sold 2.7 mln.

 



Won't sell more then 6 mill? That's what the last Zelda did.



sc94597 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
well I disagree completely

FF12 was released in the month Ps3 was released....also remember FF9 and its low sales....well it had the same problem as FF12 (released when the next generation playstation was out)

so that reason is void imo.

MGS4 has proven that PS3 games can sell almost as well as previous iterations

also you have to see it will be the only important JRPG on PS3..so all fans will flock to it.

My predictiions are simple:

Japan - 2.5 million

Others - 3 million

NA - 3 million

Of course, that is why I compared it mostly to X.  Also MGS4 was possible, do you really believe that FFXIII will have such large attach rates? 25% vs 90/100% That is one of the reasons why I don't believe square enix will release it this year. The ps3 needs a much larger install base in japan, or they will have to make it even more popular in the west, with the cost of japanese sales. Also I highly doubt others will sell 3mln. X only sold 2 mln, and VII only sold 2.7 mln.

 

We know FF13 isn't coming till 09....so PS3's userbase will be lets say 22 - 25 million when it comes out

 



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey