Ok, it seems that you are being stubborn so forget it. You win. Those are not exclusives. The Wii just has 2 exclusives. Have fun waiting. *yawn*

It would be nice to see a downgraded Soul Callibur 4 port, but since we already have Legends comming out as a consolation prize, we may not see 4 at all. Oh well, another red water game to be lost in the blue ocean.

Davygee, why did you pick on the Wii only? Gorge said that the Wii has 5 exclusives, while you argue that it only has 2 -- I agree with you. Rules are rules.

However, by that same logic, the PS3 has 0 exclusives from your list. Zero. Why didn't you correct gorge on that as well?

I wouldn't have purchased SC4 as I bought SC2 for Link, played it for a day then gave it to a friend.

But I MIGHT purchase Legends, pending a rental and some decent reviews. I know I'm just anecdotal, but I'd prefer a 3rd person adventure to yet another 1v1 fighting game.

Also, IGN has some impressions and more information about SCL:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/796/796073p1.html?RSSwhen2007-06-13_074300&RSSid=796073

In addition to single player play, Legends will also include multiplayer support. Players will be able to face off against one another and combat enemies cooperatively. While Okubo admits that the method of implementing the multiplayer modes is still under consideration, he expects the game to use a split screen setup in order to allow players to fully become their in-game counterparts.

Multiplayer co-op = good 

The PS3 and 360 are still getting more than the Wii.  This exclusives arguement is stupid.  A game does not have to be exclusive for me to play it.  I will be able to play more Ubisoft games on the PS3 than the Wii.

Bodhesatva said: windbane said: JDWolf36 said: How does it make any type of sense that if one game is selling better on the Wii as a spin off than on the Xbox360/PS3 main line title that what you should do is keep investing loads into the main title and nothing more into the Wii. What makes sense is taking the third more you spent on that PS3/Xbox360 game investing it into 3 better looking Wii games. Don't understand the argument if people will buy a crappy Wii game just because they are interested in the genre it makes more sense to invest into that genre so you can produce more games, not go ohhh well they buy crap so lets just give them more and more of it. If this worked why does the Xbox360 have any games that look better than Perfect Dark Zero what would be the point it sold a million copies is in their top ten best selling why not make 3 billion more of the same type of game for less than it cost to make a game like Gears of War or Lost Planet people will buy them by this logic. Geez...so far third parties are doing well on the 360, and there is an equal opportunity for many third party games to do well on the PS3. Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Gears of War Microsoft 0.08 2.76 1.38 4.22 Call of Duty 2 Activision 0.02 1.39 0.56 1.97 Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter Ubisoft 0.02 1.29 0.63 1.94 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Take 2 0.00 1.13 0.57 1.70 Madden NFL 07 EA 0.01 1.62 0.04 1.67   Notice that 4 of those are third parties and they were all released early on in the 360's life.   Compare that to Wii third party games: Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Wii Sports Nintendo 1.67 3.21 1.79 6.67 Wii Play Nintendo 1.34 1.24 0.89 3.47 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Nintendo 0.56 1.66 1.02 3.24 Wario Ware Smooth Moves Nintendo 0.47 0.55 0.58 1.60 Super Paper Mario Nintendo 0.48 0.53 0.00 1.01 Rayman Raving Rabbids Ubisoft 0.02 0.58 0.41 1.01 Red Steel Ubisoft 0.04 0.45 0.51 1.00   That is the complete Wii list. I cut out over two-thirds of the 360 games to sell over 1 million. I'd say it's smarter to release third party games on the PS3, 360, or both. I think this is a solid point, Windbane, but I think it heavily favors the 360 over the PS3. Simple question -- why didn't you list the PS3's 3rd party million selling titles? That certainly would have bolstered your position. Answer -- because it looks like this: 1. ---- 2. ---- 3. ---- 4. ---- 5. ---- So while I agree that 3rd party developers can make a living off graphically intense, hardcore games made for the 360/PS3/PC, it's important to note that it's the 360 that's doing most of the heavy lifting there :p

Well, at least you admit it doesn't favor the Wii like some others are trying to do.  Obviously, games that were on the 360 before aren't going to sell as well now.  Oblivion, GRAW, Rainbow 6, and Madden didn't/won't sell as well because a lot of people already had/have it.  

Going forward, most games that aren't exclusive will be released on both systems at the same time, and there are some third party exclusives for both that will sell better than most third party games on the Wii. 

There are plenty of third party games that will sell 1 million on the PS3.   Don't forget that Japanese developers will probably sell more games on the PS3 than the 360 (talking worldwide, because obviously the PS3 has a large install base advantage in Japan).  We'll see, though. 

Threads like this are prime territory for trolls to bash the Wii, heck, if the fanboys can't have the hardware sales, they're certainly going to do everything they can to rub in whatever little game they can add to their library.

Might I also remind everyone here too that Soul Calibur II for the Gamecube sold the best of the three versions. And Soul Calibur III only sould one fourth the number of copies that that Soul Calibur II did. Again, another declining franchise for the PS360, congratulations.

I totally agree from an end user perspective: if you already have a Wii/360/PS3, it doesn't matter if a game is exclusive if you get to play it anyway. This is one of the main reasons why I think PS3 fans shoudl still be very happy with their console: it may not be accruing exclusive titles as fast as the 360/Wii, but as long as it's getting most of the big games (such as Madden and GTA) that are cross platform, there is nothing to worry about. I personally believe that, after FF XIII has come, there will be next to zero major 3rd party titles that will be exclusive to either platform. 360 will have Microsoft games, Sony will have Sony games, and that's about it.

But from a sales perspective, it's totally different. The 360 jumps over the Wii and PS3 here, for different reasons: the Wii is significantly graphically inferior and the controls are different enough that straight ports aren't really possible -- most "multi platform" games will in fact be on the 360 and the PS3. That's bad for the Wii. For the PS3, every single "multi platform" game can be played on the 360 for 200 dollars cheaper. The first real test of this will be GTA IV, and I expect the 360 version (and sales of the 360 system) to be significantly higher (and recieve a significantly larger boost) than the PS3.

Because of the large price difference between system -- and because the 360 already has a larger user base -- every time a game is released on the PS3 and the 360 with the same graphics and gameplay, the 360 wins.

windbane said: Bodhesatva said: windbane said: JDWolf36 said: How does it make any type of sense that if one game is selling better on the Wii as a spin off than on the Xbox360/PS3 main line title that what you should do is keep investing loads into the main title and nothing more into the Wii. What makes sense is taking the third more you spent on that PS3/Xbox360 game investing it into 3 better looking Wii games. Don't understand the argument if people will buy a crappy Wii game just because they are interested in the genre it makes more sense to invest into that genre so you can produce more games, not go ohhh well they buy crap so lets just give them more and more of it. If this worked why does the Xbox360 have any games that look better than Perfect Dark Zero what would be the point it sold a million copies is in their top ten best selling why not make 3 billion more of the same type of game for less than it cost to make a game like Gears of War or Lost Planet people will buy them by this logic. Geez...so far third parties are doing well on the 360, and there is an equal opportunity for many third party games to do well on the PS3. Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Gears of War Microsoft 0.08 2.76 1.38 4.22 Call of Duty 2 Activision 0.02 1.39 0.56 1.97 Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter Ubisoft 0.02 1.29 0.63 1.94 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Take 2 0.00 1.13 0.57 1.70 Madden NFL 07 EA 0.01 1.62 0.04 1.67   Notice that 4 of those are third parties and they were all released early on in the 360's life.   Compare that to Wii third party games: Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Wii Sports Nintendo 1.67 3.21 1.79 6.67 Wii Play Nintendo 1.34 1.24 0.89 3.47 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Nintendo 0.56 1.66 1.02 3.24 Wario Ware Smooth Moves Nintendo 0.47 0.55 0.58 1.60 Super Paper Mario Nintendo 0.48 0.53 0.00 1.01 Rayman Raving Rabbids Ubisoft 0.02 0.58 0.41 1.01 Red Steel Ubisoft 0.04 0.45 0.51 1.00   That is the complete Wii list. I cut out over two-thirds of the 360 games to sell over 1 million. I'd say it's smarter to release third party games on the PS3, 360, or both. I think this is a solid point, Windbane, but I think it heavily favors the 360 over the PS3. Simple question -- why didn't you list the PS3's 3rd party million selling titles? That certainly would have bolstered your position. Answer -- because it looks like this: 1. ---- 2. ---- 3. ---- 4. ---- 5. ---- So while I agree that 3rd party developers can make a living off graphically intense, hardcore games made for the 360/PS3/PC, it's important to note that it's the 360 that's doing most of the heavy lifting there :p Well, at least you admit it doesn't favor the Wii like some others are trying to do. Obviously, games that were on the 360 before aren't going to sell as well now. Oblivion, GRAW, Rainbow 6, and Madden didn't/won't sell as well because a lot of people already had/have it. Going forward, most games that aren't exclusive will be released on both systems at the same time, and there are some third party exclusives for both that will sell better than most third party games on the Wii. There are plenty of third party games that will sell 1 million on the PS3. Don't forget that Japanese developers will probably sell more games on the PS3 than the 360 (talking worldwide, because obviously the PS3 has a large install base advantage in Japan). We'll see, though.

Part of this is unfair: you can't talk about the PS3 in the future tense (at some point, lots of 3rd party games will sell well on the system!) without doing the same for the Wii and 360. Lots of 3rd party games -- in fact, more exclusive games -- have been announced on the Wii, and I expect lots of them to do well too. Same goes for the 360. 

Otherwise, I agree. The combined might of the 360/PS3 will probably keep a hefty portion of the install base this generation: my personal guess is 50 percent Wii, 50 percent 360/PS3. So we definitely agree on that front. I'm just saying that the larger portion of the 360/PS3 combination has, does, and probably will come from the 360 portion, not the PS3.  

A little hurt are we? Sounds like you're the one who can't handle the fact that this is a PS360 exclusive.

I mean seriously how is this bashing the Wii? I am listing a fact here that you and others attacked me for assuming it will not come to Wii and I have been vindicated and I wanted to post the news.

I don't have to rub in anything cause I have a Wii and I could have played it on it if it came out on it....

You also claimed it would be nice to see SC IV on Wii then you go on and claim oh this game is shit it's going down a dying franchise... very quick turnaround there.