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naznatips on 14 June 2007
windbane said:
 

Well, we'll see how many of those 360 games work out. I think Sony's 1st party more than equals the new arrivals on the 360's list. Also, my comparison being between the PS3 and 360 versus the Wii, the PS3 and 360 get most of the new big games announced by third parties, again, imo. I'd rather have SC4 than SC Legends, for instance.

I don't think out of those 7 games that many will be good, so it's not very fair to criticize Ignition.

When the threads were going that listed the 20 games (or so) that you have to have this year for each system (exclusives), I think the PS3 more than held it's own. Obviously, I am biased, but I thought the PS3's list was the best, and PSP's list is very good this year. So that's why I said especially the PS3's lineup. Now, obviously, Halo 3 is going to be a big seller and I'd like to play Mass Effect and maybe Bioshock and Too Human (if that comes out this year). But I think the PS3 has a lot to counter that.

But yeah, I just think all of these developers that are launching their big games on 360 and/or PS3 can't be wrong. I'd be very surprised if Wii spinoffs sold better.


Heh, I don't think they are wrong, I think they have no choice right now.  They began these games back in 06, based on an intellegent marketing decision.  Even after the PS3's price was announced there were very few analysts predicting any success for the Wii.  If they wanted to get games out within the first couple of years of release, they had to start devlopment by mid 06 at the latest (the lowest PS3 game development time is 3 years).  It would make no sense to throw all your support behind the Wii right away.  What they can do though is continue development of these, and shift a lot of major focus (or expand the actual developers the company hires) to making new, unique IPs on the Wii.  I think this is likely to happen, and because Wii game development takes 1-3 years for a good game at the most, you will see this difference in late 2008/early 2009.



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Bodhesatva on 14 June 2007
Legend11 said:
I think it's just people jumping on the bandwagon when it comes to putting down the PS3, for all we know sales could pick up dramatically for it sometime in the future. There were 120 million PS2s bought as well as ~48 million of the competition and even with overlap that's still a lot of people who haven't picked a new console and that's not even counting the unknown number of casual users that have picked up the Wii to go along with gamers from the previous generation, etc, so it's all still up for grabs.

Legend -- I first want to say that I've very much agreed with (Almost?) everything you've said thus far in this thread. 360/PS3 software development will not dry up.

With that said, this particular post seems a bit off. Not hugely off, but worth commenting on. The suggestion that "for all we know" the PS3 sales could "pick up dramatically sometime in the future," is a little unfair. Yes, that's technically possible, just as it was technically possible that the Gamecube would have sold 100 million consoles int he last year of it's lifespan, thus leading it to ultimate victory in the generation. That was possible -- just hilariously and extremely unlikely.

As others have noted, no console being outsold 2:1 (let alone 3:1, 4:1 or 5:1, as is the case for the PS3) for months at a time right out of the launch gate has ever suddenly come back and made that ground up. Not once, ever. Not even close, in fact. Does this mean it's technically impossible for the PS3 to come back? No. But your wording suggests it's very possible, if not likely; that's unrealistic. What I would say is this: it's not impossible that the PS3 will end up leading this generational cycle, but it's extremely unlikely. Again, not a case where I think you're totally wrong, but I thought it deserved revision all the same.



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naznatips on 14 June 2007

And really, I was probably being too harsh. I don't think you will see a HUGE drought in PS3 and 360 games, I just think you will see a slowdown and consequently an related increase in Wii games. Also, keep in mind I have never criticized the library of the PS3 or 360 as bad. I think the games they are getting are great, and I do want to own both systems, I'm just more interested in the Wii's potential for new IPs.



windbane on 14 June 2007
Legend11 said:
I think it's just people jumping on the bandwagon when it comes to putting down the PS3, for all we know sales could pick up dramatically for it sometime in the future. There were 120 million PS2s bought as well as ~48 million of the competition and even with overlap that's still a lot of people who haven't picked a new console and that's not even counting the unknown number of casual users that have picked up the Wii to go along with gamers from the previous generation, etc, so it's all still up for grabs.

Indeed, and this site being about sales certainly favors the Wii fans right now.  I do appreciate the great competition this generation is creating.  I think it will be tough for Sony to regain the lead, but I don't think the Wii will get 50% of the market like a lot of people are predicting.  If the 360 wasn't doing so well in the US (people at work gang up on me as much as people on this site), or if the 360 could sell at all in Japan, then I think either the PS3 or 360 would easily stand up to the Wii.  I was worried about split votes before, but seeing as how so many games are announced for PS3 and 360 still I'm not as worried anymore.

I say worried because as a videogame fan I want the industry make it through these expensive consoles and continue to progress graphically and in complexity.  I think the Wii is a great combo with the PS360 because it is expanding the market like the PS1 and PS2 did for different types of gamers, and perhaps more, we'll see.



Legend11 on 14 June 2007
Smashchu said:

GOD WILL YOU STFU!!!! I don't even know if your making a point anymore. You just post a thousand post about people using ther Unreal 3 engine. It's a good engine. Shut up. He is also right that after you get an engine, you STILL have more development to do. All it does is set up the for ground. You have to do all the rest. Just helps. That's all. But hey, it can also be used for Wii games as well as any other system so yeah.

But, he is right, I wouldn't doubt a drought in 2009. Many of the game you listed will probobly be released in 2008. We don't know what will be released in 2009 as of now. With how long it takes developers to make 360/PS3 games, it wouldn't be a surprise if they dried up for a while and a lot of Wii gamnes came up only for a slew of 360/PS3 games to apper. It's a possibility. Will it happen? Maybe not. But, it could.


I basically proved a point that developers are still making games for the 360 and PS3 dispite now knowning that the Wii is a success.  Those developers could have easily simply not licensed that engine and instead moved over development of the games in question onto the Wii, and they chose not to do that.  And now you come in and tell me to to shut up and that games could dry up for the 360 and PS3 because of the success of the Wii, seriously I think you missed the point I was making completely.



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windbane on 14 June 2007
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
I think it's just people jumping on the bandwagon when it comes to putting down the PS3, for all we know sales could pick up dramatically for it sometime in the future. There were 120 million PS2s bought as well as ~48 million of the competition and even with overlap that's still a lot of people who haven't picked a new console and that's not even counting the unknown number of casual users that have picked up the Wii to go along with gamers from the previous generation, etc, so it's all still up for grabs.

Legend -- I first want to say that I've very much agreed with (Almost?) everything you've said thus far in this thread. 360/PS3 software development will not dry up.

With that said, this particular post seems a bit off. Not hugely off, but worth commenting on. The suggestion that "for all we know" the PS3 sales could "pick up dramatically sometime in the future," is a little unfair. Yes, that's technically possible, just as it was technically possible that the Gamecube would have sold 100 million consoles int he last year of it's lifespan, thus leading it to ultimate victory in the generation. That was possible -- just hilariously and extremely unlikely.

As others have noted, no console being outsold 2:1 (let alone 3:1, 4:1 or 5:1, as is the case for the PS3) for months at a time right out of the launch gate has ever suddenly come back and made that ground up. Not once, ever. Not even close, in fact. Does this mean it's technically impossible for the PS3 to come back? No. But your wording suggests it's very possible, if not likely; that's unrealistic. What I would say is this: it's not impossible that the PS3 will end up leading this generational cycle, but it's extremely unlikely. Again, not a case where I think you're totally wrong, but I thought it deserved revision all the same.


Your last parahraph is true, but it is also true that no console maker has sucked for 2 generations and then come back to dominate a generation.  Heck, GC finished 3rd!  Also, no hardware company had ever dominated 2 generations like Sony did.

Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't.  I think every generation has been unique and there have not been that many.  I think that's why the strategies differ so much.  I think this generation is the most up for grabs ever.  I think we've all been stuck on only 1 or 2 consoles succeeding.  We'll see, though.  I think unlike all the doomsayers over the last few months have predicted, it's not decided yet.   Or maybe it is, but I'm not sure it's easy to predict.  This fall/winter is going to be the most interesting in a long time.



windbane on 14 June 2007
Legend11 said:
Smashchu said:

GOD WILL YOU STFU!!!! I don't even know if your making a point anymore. You just post a thousand post about people using ther Unreal 3 engine. It's a good engine. Shut up. He is also right that after you get an engine, you STILL have more development to do. All it does is set up the for ground. You have to do all the rest. Just helps. That's all. But hey, it can also be used for Wii games as well as any other system so yeah.

But, he is right, I wouldn't doubt a drought in 2009. Many of the game you listed will probobly be released in 2008. We don't know what will be released in 2009 as of now. With how long it takes developers to make 360/PS3 games, it wouldn't be a surprise if they dried up for a while and a lot of Wii gamnes came up only for a slew of 360/PS3 games to apper. It's a possibility. Will it happen? Maybe not. But, it could.


I basically proved a point that developers are still making games for the 360 and PS3 dispite now knowning that the Wii is a success. Those developers could have easily simply not licensed that engine and instead moved over development of the games in question onto the Wii, and they chose not to do that. And now you come in and tell me to to shut up and that games could dry up for the 360 and PS3 because of the success of the Wii, seriously I think you missed the point I was making completely.


yeah, I'm sure the Unreal 2 engine is cheaper if you want to stick to the Wii. 



naznatips on 14 June 2007
Legend11 said:
Smashchu said:

GOD WILL YOU STFU!!!! I don't even know if your making a point anymore. You just post a thousand post about people using ther Unreal 3 engine. It's a good engine. Shut up. He is also right that after you get an engine, you STILL have more development to do. All it does is set up the for ground. You have to do all the rest. Just helps. That's all. But hey, it can also be used for Wii games as well as any other system so yeah.

But, he is right, I wouldn't doubt a drought in 2009. Many of the game you listed will probobly be released in 2008. We don't know what will be released in 2009 as of now. With how long it takes developers to make 360/PS3 games, it wouldn't be a surprise if they dried up for a while and a lot of Wii gamnes came up only for a slew of 360/PS3 games to apper. It's a possibility. Will it happen? Maybe not. But, it could.


I basically proved a point that developers are still making games for the 360 and PS3 dispite now knowning that the Wii is a success. Those developers could have easily simply not licensed that engine and instead moved over development of the games in question onto the Wii, and they chose not to do that. And now you come in and tell me to to shut up and that games could dry up for the 360 and PS3 because of the success of the Wii, seriously I think you missed the point I was making completely.


Of course, you're still assuming that them licensing the Unreal Engine means that the game they licensed it for was their biggest game.  One of the benefits of the Unreal Engine is that it makes development a lot easier.  Obviously you are correct that it means some sort of game is being made, but who knows what kind/how big/how much effort is being commited to it.



naznatips on 14 June 2007
windbane said:
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
I think it's just people jumping on the bandwagon when it comes to putting down the PS3, for all we know sales could pick up dramatically for it sometime in the future. There were 120 million PS2s bought as well as ~48 million of the competition and even with overlap that's still a lot of people who haven't picked a new console and that's not even counting the unknown number of casual users that have picked up the Wii to go along with gamers from the previous generation, etc, so it's all still up for grabs.

Legend -- I first want to say that I've very much agreed with (Almost?) everything you've said thus far in this thread. 360/PS3 software development will not dry up.

With that said, this particular post seems a bit off. Not hugely off, but worth commenting on. The suggestion that "for all we know" the PS3 sales could "pick up dramatically sometime in the future," is a little unfair. Yes, that's technically possible, just as it was technically possible that the Gamecube would have sold 100 million consoles int he last year of it's lifespan, thus leading it to ultimate victory in the generation. That was possible -- just hilariously and extremely unlikely.

As others have noted, no console being outsold 2:1 (let alone 3:1, 4:1 or 5:1, as is the case for the PS3) for months at a time right out of the launch gate has ever suddenly come back and made that ground up. Not once, ever. Not even close, in fact. Does this mean it's technically impossible for the PS3 to come back? No. But your wording suggests it's very possible, if not likely; that's unrealistic. What I would say is this: it's not impossible that the PS3 will end up leading this generational cycle, but it's extremely unlikely. Again, not a case where I think you're totally wrong, but I thought it deserved revision all the same.


Your last parahraph is true, but it is also true that no console maker has sucked for 2 generations and then come back to dominate a generation. Heck, GC finished 3rd! Also, no hardware company had ever dominated 2 generations like Sony did.

Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. I think every generation has been unique and there have not been that many. I think that's why the strategies differ so much. I think this generation is the most up for grabs ever. I think we've all been stuck on only 1 or 2 consoles succeeding. We'll see, though. I think unlike all the doomsayers over the last few months have predicted, it's not decided yet. Or maybe it is, but I'm not sure it's easy to predict. This fall/winter is going to be the most interesting in a long time.


Er... I know you are somewhat young but how could you possibly forget the NES and SNES blowing away competition then the N64 getting trounced?  Or Atari dominating till Nintendo showed up.  No, in fact history tells us that in gaming the industry leader changes constantly, and to say that one company having success for 2 generations means it will have permanent succes is incredibly narrow sighted.  Every generation in gaming is certainly unique, but we aren in the 7th generation without a console in the position of the PS3 EVER getting close to rising to the top, nor has a console selling as well as the Wii ever been defeated (not that a console has ever sold as well as the Wii).



windbane on 14 June 2007
naznatips said:
windbane said:
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
I think it's just people jumping on the bandwagon when it comes to putting down the PS3, for all we know sales could pick up dramatically for it sometime in the future. There were 120 million PS2s bought as well as ~48 million of the competition and even with overlap that's still a lot of people who haven't picked a new console and that's not even counting the unknown number of casual users that have picked up the Wii to go along with gamers from the previous generation, etc, so it's all still up for grabs.

Legend -- I first want to say that I've very much agreed with (Almost?) everything you've said thus far in this thread. 360/PS3 software development will not dry up.

With that said, this particular post seems a bit off. Not hugely off, but worth commenting on. The suggestion that "for all we know" the PS3 sales could "pick up dramatically sometime in the future," is a little unfair. Yes, that's technically possible, just as it was technically possible that the Gamecube would have sold 100 million consoles int he last year of it's lifespan, thus leading it to ultimate victory in the generation. That was possible -- just hilariously and extremely unlikely.

As others have noted, no console being outsold 2:1 (let alone 3:1, 4:1 or 5:1, as is the case for the PS3) for months at a time right out of the launch gate has ever suddenly come back and made that ground up. Not once, ever. Not even close, in fact. Does this mean it's technically impossible for the PS3 to come back? No. But your wording suggests it's very possible, if not likely; that's unrealistic. What I would say is this: it's not impossible that the PS3 will end up leading this generational cycle, but it's extremely unlikely. Again, not a case where I think you're totally wrong, but I thought it deserved revision all the same.


Your last parahraph is true, but it is also true that no console maker has sucked for 2 generations and then come back to dominate a generation. Heck, GC finished 3rd! Also, no hardware company had ever dominated 2 generations like Sony did.

Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. I think every generation has been unique and there have not been that many. I think that's why the strategies differ so much. I think this generation is the most up for grabs ever. I think we've all been stuck on only 1 or 2 consoles succeeding. We'll see, though. I think unlike all the doomsayers over the last few months have predicted, it's not decided yet. Or maybe it is, but I'm not sure it's easy to predict. This fall/winter is going to be the most interesting in a long time.


Er... I know you are somewhat young but how could you possibly forget the NES and SNES blowing away competition then the N64 getting trounced? Or Atari dominating till Nintendo showed up. No, in fact history tells us that in gaming the industry leader changes constantly, and to say that one company having success for 2 generations means it will have permanent succes is incredibly narrow sighted. Every generation in gaming is certainly unique, but we aren in the 7th generation without a console in the position of the PS3 EVER getting close to rising to the top, nor has a console selling as well as the Wii ever been defeated (not that a console has ever sold as well as the Wii).


umm...hate to break this to you, old guy, but the SNES did not dominate like the PS1 and PS2 did. Like I said, no hardware has dominated like Sony's 2 consoles in back to back generations. 5 to 3 is not near 3 to 1.

I never said that having success for 2 generations proves anything. I was showing that no generation is the same and things happen all the time that haven't before.

Case in point:  no third-place console has ever had the third party support that the PS3 currently has.