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makingmusic476 said:
lolita said:
frybread said:
A solution that will make everyone happy:

1) Make a forum for fanboy wars. Let people get it out of their system.
2) Ban anyone trolling anywhere else, including sales reports.

That would be an excellent idea! O_O

 

 

Have you guys ever heard of GameSpot's System Wars board?  It was initially formed for reasons much like those you are discussing, but it only attracted fanboys from other websites, who then spread to the other boards on GameSpot.  System Wars devolved into one of the worst abominations on the internet, and it had rather negative impacts on the rest of the site.  Only the Unions were kept safe, because they were user controlled.

Edit: Here's a good description of SW:

Hehe.  And there are more in that second link I posted.

Nope I haven't heard of it since I don't go on gamespot at all... And if you say so then okies it's a bad idea. n_n'

 



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NM. This is an effort for change I wont expose anyone. We do need to keep people out of threads who just want to point out negatives about certain products they dont like that have nothing to do with the topic.

For example:

Thread Name: MGS4 sells 1.4million week one.

Poster A: "Oooh oooh so what! The PS3 is still in last place and the hardware boost wasn't that high!"

 

That type of crap happens all the time (especially to the PS3 on this site.) Stems all the way from new posters to vet posters to mods.



CAL4M1TY said:
Too right Squilliam. Two things that need to change:

1) Random Troll posts in threads that just want to incite anger

2) Retaliating with equally negative/sarcastic posts in response to the original post that is being replied to (I know I've done this a few times).

Let's just stop with the trolling for one, and then the just as bad reply or the "you've been reported" post, you hit the report this post button, now leave it to the mods.

A lot of small changes can have big effects.  We should start by getting rid of the obvious, the things that don't require any sort of interpretation.  No personal insults.  There's the line, right in the sand, and everyone knows it.



Couldn't agree more... but I suspect it will be tough to achieve.

There will always be disagreements on forums like these - weren't we disagreeing on whether you can compare RFOM2 and MGS4 at this time or not just recently? But neither of us needed to do anything other than post calmly and take things in good humour to get our views across.

But there's a big difference between sensible (even if heated) discussion and pure bile, aggression and just plain silly comments... and there does seem to be a rise in flame bait posts and comments recently.

While I don't like the idea of limiting new members perhaps accounts could have tiers of privileges allowing mods more freedom in control.

For example the ability to post new threads vs just post in existing ones. Limits to the number of posts. These could even be applied to different forums - so its a more lax affair in general discussions but sales discussions must be relevant, etc.

That would enable, for example, mods to remove say your ability to post new topics for a while, or limit you to say x number of posts a day rather than having outright bans.

Given the obvious fact that many posts are from fanboys for a particular console it would be handy to control posting by console as well - i.e. if a Sony fan is causing trouble in the Xbox & Wii forums prevent him posting in them, etc.

If nothing else there's always one good response... Ignore! Actually, perhaps we could have a status of 'on ignore' that accounts get set to that limits posting privileges for a while and also acts as a clear indication that the member has been trolling, etc. I suspect what would help mods would be the ability to simply implement the change and leave it to re-set automatically - so they can quickly dish out a 10 day new thread creation punishment and know that after ten days it will reset.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

this could be good, i'll be watching this :D

anyway isn't it so when a rule is broken the violater will be banned?
( and sometimes even when a no harm is done )



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I do agree. But this is no recent development. It's an age old problem. (Well, ok, internet old problem)



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Pffft Squilliam has no Problem with "troll" posts that argue in favor of M$ or Nintento. Nor do 14/16 moderators. How can anyone say this site isn't bias? Let's be real.



Million said:

Your basicly nomitating every Nintendo Fan/Fanboy to kick every Sony Fan/Fanboys , 360 Fan/Fanboys asses. They tend see differences in opinion as trolling unless it's Nintendo related.


Edit : This thread is a "personal attack" ironicaly , from what i've seen you've already mentioned the names of two people who haven't even posted in this thread. Maybe my defintion of a personal attack is wrong but it looks like your using this thread for your own agenda , nomiating mods , calling out users WTF ?

 

 Your definition of a personal attack is so broad that it is essentially worthless. A personal attack would be me calling you a retard. If I were to say your definition of a personal attack is retarded though, it would not be a personal attack. I am insulting your arguement and not you directly. All but the first line of this is meerly an example and not meant to reflect my personal opinions in anyway.

The biggest problem here is the 'crying wolf' stuff that goes on. A number of users (and believe me, I'm not looking at anyone in this particular thread) will report people as 'trolling' just because they post something contrary to their personal opinion - grow some thicker skin, people!!!

 This is the biggest part of the problem, and it exists slightly on both ends. Well, it is a major problem because of the users, but the mod team can help in some ways. I have always been hestitant to report posts because I don't know if I am being overly annoyed by the person, or if it is honestly over the line. If there was a way to get a feedback system going for good/bad reports it could make the system work better for everyone. The easy first step would be to simply punish people for abusing the report system. If someone is reporting posts that in no way break the rules, the reporting user gets a warning. I can see where it might lead to fear of reporting a bad post, but so long as no serious action is taken over borderline cases then it should smooth out quickly. It would un-ham your queue, and punish the people for essentially harassing the moderators.



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Leetgeek said:
Pffft Squilliam has no Problem with "troll" posts that argue in favor of M$ or Nintento. Nor do 14/16 moderators. How can anyone say this site isn't bias? Let's be real.

Talonman, Montana, Twesterm, Naznatips, Ssj12, Bohestava, and Roadkillers off the top of my head show little to no bias against the PS3. I am certain more of the moderators fit into that mold as well, but I have forgotten most of their names right now. Fishyjoe, and Mrstickball are the only ones who seem to ever rile up the PS3 fanboys for fun. Rocketpig is pretty brutal on MGS fans, but that is just incidentally related to PS3 fans.



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Reasonable said:
Couldn't agree more... but I suspect it will be tough to achieve.

There will always be disagreements on forums like these - weren't we disagreeing on whether you can compare RFOM2 and MGS4 at this time or not just recently? But neither of us needed to do anything other than post calmly and take things in good humour to get our views across.

But there's a big difference between sensible (even if heated) discussion and pure bile, aggression and just plain silly comments... and there does seem to be a rise in flame bait posts and comments recently.

While I don't like the idea of limiting new members perhaps accounts could have tiers of privileges allowing mods more freedom in control.

For example the ability to post new threads vs just post in existing ones. Limits to the number of posts. These could even be applied to different forums - so its a more lax affair in general discussions but sales discussions must be relevant, etc.

That would enable, for example, mods to remove say your ability to post new topics for a while, or limit you to say x number of posts a day rather than having outright bans.

Given the obvious fact that many posts are from fanboys for a particular console it would be handy to control posting by console as well - i.e. if a Sony fan is causing trouble in the Xbox & Wii forums prevent him posting in them, etc.

If nothing else there's always one good response... Ignore! Actually, perhaps we could have a status of 'on ignore' that accounts get set to that limits posting privileges for a while and also acts as a clear indication that the member has been trolling, etc. I suspect what would help mods would be the ability to simply implement the change and leave it to re-set automatically - so they can quickly dish out a 10 day new thread creation punishment and know that after ten days it will reset.

All bolded = excellent points. Since its all bolded I give this post a 10/10 - Its better than MGS4 (higher VGcriticz rating)

@Leetgeek, I hate troll posts that support Microsoft or Nintendo, especially Microsoft. I perfer that Xbox360 fans keep a higher standard of personal conduct as that is the best way to act as an ambassador for the Xbox360. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

 



Tease.