@rocketpig

yeah but ruling wii out right now is stupid

i wish MSFT would throw some money into some R&D to fix the noise and 3 rings on their console instead of trying this. I really think the 360 could be great, but it just baffles my mind MSFT keeps going in this direction, the elite, GTA DLC with their money....fix the damn console and promote the amazing games they have....stop throwing good money at bad....this pisses me off as a gamer because i refuse to accept the shitty hardware, and now i wont get to play these games unless i rebuy a broken console that i have to ship to Texas twice a year and wear earplugs when i play in a chilled out quiet room. ugh.

That's why I said "until at least 2010". There's no way the Wii will get 8-10 JRPGs in the next 18 months and surpass the 360 (which will have BD, LO, LR, IU, ToV, ES, SO4, and possibly Cry On).

They have fixed those issues. All refurbs are getting a new mobo that supposedly cures the RRoD, the RRoD hasn't been a huge problem with the Falcon chipset (sold since Aug 07), and the new BenQ drives are considerably more quiet than the old wind tunnel drives.

 i suppose i cant atest to recent RRoD since i lost my everyday contact with the 360 last march after the second time it broke...but i was just at my friends house playing rockband and they JUST bought the 360 and i could hear it behind the music unless wew turned it up insanely loud......

So are the elites in considerably better shape than my previous experience? because my friends was just a premium.

Sorry to go semi-OT. 

The americans clearly don't like ps3 at all, but $ony keeps trying to make them like it. It just never gonna happen, they should just give up and stop flogging a dead horse.

See now how absurd your point is? It takes some extreme fanboyism to call "forcing" to the basic way companies fight for marketshare, offering to the public what the public wants and better than competitors. Everyone does it, because that's the way to profits. Actually, MS isn't just trying to convince that they should like the 360, they are funding the content the japanese like. But hey, maybe you should run to KZ2 threads and baw that's just sony trying to force the americans to like the ps3 because fps games are popular in the USA.

The newer 360s I have heard are quieter. My friend just bought an Elite so I'll take a look at it this weekend. I know it's definitely quieter than that Goddamned turbojet I have in my unit. 

Only if it is FF or DQ

@rudyrsr8

n thats never gonna happen.....lol

Short answer - NO.
Japanese CAN wait, otherwise PS3 already would be selling over 100k in Japan, since FFXIII and FFXIIIv are coming.

More over, SO4 will be release somewhere in 2009, maybe even in autumn. That a lot of time for a DEAD console.

Tales ov Vesperia, just Like Eternal Sonata, will come to PS3, and Japanese know that. They are ABLE to wait. =)