http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7805&Itemid=1 

"Radeon HD 4870 and Radeon HD 4850 will both have a whopping 800 Shaders. The previous generation had 320 and as you can see we are now talking about more than double the number. ATI will market its cards as TeraScale engine capable and as we’ve suggested before RV770 will reach 1 TeraFlop processing power. With 800 Shader processors at 625MHz the Radeon HD 4850 can reach 1000 GigaFlops or 1 TeraFlop while Radeon HD 4870 at 750MHz would each 1.2 TeraFlop. People have reported that the card will end up with 480 shaders, but the number is bigger. The big issue for ATI is that its 480 Shaders might end up way slower than Nvidia's 240. This was always the case in the past and Nvidia's Shaders are usually clocked at higher than GPU frequency. We believe that ATI’s Shaders were quite transistor cheap as the RV770 die won’t be much bigger compared to RV670 and these numbers actually do bring some optimism."

The card looks like its going to be awesome!!!

The RRP should be about $299 for this beast.

The 4850 shouldn't be much slower and that will cost $199

The old 3870 had 320 stream processors! They increased it by two and a half times the previous cards capabilities.

Also rumoured are beefed up texturing units which should help keep the card running efficiently as this was a bottleneck in the previous design.

Furthermore with GDDR5 it should have 120gb second memory bandwidth so it should absolutely rock in high resolutions.

This is such an awesome buy it seems, it makes me sad that I already have an 8800gt.

Lastly, the gap between a PC with this or a GTX260/280 and the Xbox360 is the same as the Xbox360 and the Wii.  

 

Well, I currently have a 7800gt and I'm waiting for prices to go down. I've been keeping an eye on an 8800gt since it's only around $170 or so. New information from ATI and Nvidia is making me excited again.

If anything, I'd probably stick with Nvidia because of BFG or Evga because they have a lifetime warranty, which was great for one of my older cards from BFG when it died. Do any of the manufacturers of radeon cards have a lifetime warranty?

Squilliam said: Lastly, the gap between a PC with this or a GTX260/280 and the Xbox360 is the same as the Xbox360 and the Wii.

Um... based upon what evidence, exactly?

Garcian Smith said: Squilliam said: Lastly, the gap between a PC with this or a GTX260/280 and the Xbox360 is the same as the Xbox360 and the Wii.   Um... based upon what evidence, exactly?

Yeah, I thought that happened a long time ago ...

Both the XBox 360 and PS3 have shown performance somewhat similar to what a single Geforce 7800 card could do, and the Dual Geforce 8800 set-up destroys that (not to mention what a dual Geforce 9800 would do)

Squilliam said: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7805&Itemid=1 "Radeon HD 4870 and Radeon HD 4850 will both have a whopping 800 Shaders. T

Who invents such bullshit news? The R770 is still based on R670 technology, there simply is no space for such massive amounts of transistors (with doubled texture units, space is even more restricted). The R670 has 320 stream processors and the R70 is supposed to have 320 as well (some rumours talk about 480 processors). The new design R870 seems to go with 40 or 45nm technology, and wild rumours have it at  1000 stream processors.  

I think they still have 32 Texture Units. That's even less than what the GeForce 9600 has. But for the price... wait and see.

drkohler said: Squilliam said: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7805&Itemid=1 "Radeon HD 4870 and Radeon HD 4850 will both have a whopping 800 Shaders. T Who invents such bullshit news? The R770 is still based on R670 technology, there simply is no space for such massive amounts of transistors (with doubled texture units, space is even more restricted). The R670 has 320 stream processors and the R70 is supposed to have 320 as well (some rumours talk about 480 processors). The new design R870 seems to go with 40 or 45nm technology, and wild rumours have it at  1000 stream processors.

It was kindof confirmed a few days ago. The rumors all pointed to 480 SP but the consensus shifted to 800SP when some evidence popped out.

The RV670 is just a shrink of the R600die with a few tweaks here and there, but we never got any die shots of the R600 so we don't know how big each component of the chip is. Also the chip is larger, around the same size as a shrunk G92b is expected to be and they are using the high performance 55nm process at TSMC which may have a higher transistor density.

The consensus at B3d which has some very intelligent people, many of whom have inside knowledge in the industry or are a part of it seems to agree with the new rumors that leaked out.

Squilliam said: drkohler said: Squilliam said: It was kindof confirmed a few days ago. The rumors all pointed to 480 SP but the consensus shifted to 800SP when some evidence popped out.

Radeon HD 4850 (480 Shader-units, 32 TMUs, 256 Bit DDR3 interface, 625/825/1143 MHz, 114W TDP, $249 list) Radeon HD 4870 (480 Shader-units, 32 TMUs, 256 Bit DDR3/5 interface, 850/1050/1935 MHz, 157W TDP, $349 list)

 

drkohler said: Squilliam said: drkohler said: Squilliam said: It was kindof confirmed a few days ago. The rumors all pointed to 480 SP but the consensus shifted to 800SP when some evidence popped out. Radeon HD 4850 (480 Shader-units, 32 TMUs, 256 Bit DDR3 interface, 625/825/1143 MHz, 114W TDP, $249 list) Radeon HD 4870 (480 Shader-units, 32 TMUs, 256 Bit DDR3/5 interface, 850/1050/1935 MHz, 157W TDP, $349 list)

Yes, u was rite

Buy the card, give me the 8800gt.