3,4,6,10 are things that I am having problems with. And only 10 is going to get fixed. Though honestly motion controls no one seems behind it 100% I know why, but whats for another thread. Anyway, brawl,mario kart, nights,and the new ToS all are compatible with the GC controller. The only Wii games I have that arnt are zelda, mario, and moneky ball, and zelda I bought to try out motion controls. I think zelda is actaully improved by motion controll, but I prefered mario with just using buttons and monkey ball bannana blitz is simply terrible. I am probably buying a PS3 or 360 in the future though anyway...

rocketpig, I don't think anyone is going to claim that Nintendo's online service is anything more than mediocre especially compared to Xbox Live (which makes makes even the PSN look like dirt although not as badly). That would be a silly claim.

I actually just posted because it's been a long time since I thought about how crappy online was back then. I still remember trying to get online with a friend in BG2 over gamespy which was like pulling teeth. For all its quirks and pains, the NWFC is still ages easier to use than lamespy (I just remembered that term... ^_^ ).

Yeah, GameSpy was pretty bad. That's why I brought it up. It's sad that nearly a decade later, Nintendo's offerings can still be compared to it.

While you may not defend Nintendo's online strategy, I've seen plenty of people on this forum do so. It's sad. By any comparison, Nintendo isn't even lagging in features... They're in an entirely different ballpark of pure suckitude that no one else rivals.

And they should be called out for it. The fact that I can't even chat with my friends if I wanted to is ridiculous. It's the main reason I play the Wii so little outside of games like SMG or Okami. The multiplayer on the system is dead to me.

I would absolutely love to play Brawl with people... If I could trash talk them at the same time.

Trash talking is 95% of the fun in games like that. Same goes for MK. What's the point of playing if you can't yell "EAT RED SHELL, ASSHOLE!" to your friend in first place?

@ Rocketpig.
It was not my intention to defend or attack anything. I can see several ways that online could be and probably eventually will be improved but I am certain that live chat will never be offered, at least through Nintendo; although I don't see any reason it could not be handled by a third party server.

 It's this new casual gaming invention designed by Nintendo, called "friends in real life."  It works wonders.

ZAM!

Listen here, Junior. Not all of us live next door to our friends.

Shit, we don't even play kickball 'til dusk anymore. 

To clarify what I said, I did not mean that it is that way, but if you feel that way, then the wii is clearly not for you

 I was just playing devil's advocate.  You think I still have friends?  The best I have is a weirdo roommate, but all he plays is Castlevania: Dracula X on SNES for 2 hours every single day, and a little Wii Fit here and there.