That was Jesus ignoring someone who wasn't a jew.

There is only one fig tree in the bible if I'm not mistaken, every theologian is familiar with this story. You say he killed a tree to prove faith. That makes sense to you? Guess I gotta be god then to understand. That would not prove anything to me.

"Die tree for not giving me fruit! I am your god don't you know that!?!?"

"Woah he really is god - he killed da tree guys."

No events in the bible are real.

Answer these questions instead of just disagreeing with things that are obviously wrong in your ancient religion.

1. If god is perfect, why do people suffer?

2. Why does god not only want there to be slavery, but does he say that anyone who works on sunday should be stoned to death, why does he tell people to destroy cities and kill people?

3. Why would Christians kill so many people in the name of god? Can you admit that if you had grown up differently you would believe in different things?

4. Why is it that doctors who study science save lives, but priests rape boys, if christianity is so good, why isn't it saving lives?

5. There is nothing real about Jesus. Why are Mithras, Apollonius, Dionysus, Attis, or Osiris, all so similar to Jesus? (and about a hundred more, these are the ones that have survived because they're just so recent to have been in the last 10,000 years)

6. How did all those animals fit on the ark?

7. If Christianity is good, why does it allow people to justify evil things? Why do Christians tend to be less educated and commit more crimes than non christians?

8. Why can you not prove god at all? Why do you still believe it then?

9. What are those animals that have dinosaur bones? And those animals that look like humans but are not?

10. Where in my body is my soul kept? What does it eat?

11. Where is heaven? How do we get there? What is it like?

12. How can you sleep at night, knowing that your god is killing children who believe in another god? And then they will spend eternity in hell?

13. When do you think Jesus will come back and kill me?

14. What is in that magic water? Why sunday? Isn't god resting on sunday? But.. couldn't god just rest forever? If god gets bored could he make it so he never gets bored? Could god make himself not god?

15. What is with eating Jesus's skin, isn't that weird to you? Isn't that worst than blasphemy?

16. And the most important question of all, why doesn't god heal amputees?

I never really said anything about my thoughts on evolution. But on the topic - a theory is pretty high.. things don't get much higher than that. I suppose we should throw out germ theory too. It doesn't really matter though theory is more than mythology... lol. The earth existed before the time god says it existed. Carbon dating is more reliable than some book that doesn't even make sense.

 I assume that you admit that there are dinosaur bones, and bones from earlier humans.. how do you suppose they got there? Why do they appear to be older than god says they are?

 You don't think magical water sounds dumb? You don't think men with wings and a man with a beard who lives in the sky sounds dumb? When was the last time you learned something? The false idea of god is fading. Eventually it will be gone - and decisions will stop being based peoples' thoughts on magical places and the afterlife.

It is obvious to a rational thinking person, who has an open mind, that evolution is more likely than angels and gods. After sitting down and thinking. Any person can become enlightened. If you've been brought up thinking that the bible is right and text books are wrong. It is useless to explain things to people, it only helps when you show them how ridiculous their own beliefs are.

Prove that yahweh exists. And while you're at it, disprove zeus. If you can't do even one, I'm still right, and you're still crazy.

"Do you know that in almost every world religion there is story that Mimics Adam and Eve, there is a story that Mimics Noah and the flood- why do you think that is? Is it because of a "common delusion rooted in mankinds psyche" or is it because there is something to it?"

This isn't really... true... though there are similarities, this is due to the way people are converted. But obviously you're right despite many different religions not agreeing on it.

When you call in eye witnesses you get different accounts that vary in details. In the justice system we don't throw out all of the evidence of a murder case if all of the witnesses can not agree on the time or the color clothes the man was wearing at the time of a murder- do we? 

Yeah.. we do.. If one person says it happened at a certain time or someone wearing yellow, and another says it happened at another time or someone wearing pink... It sort of breaks down. And this is not really the same as saying that the earth existed 4,000,000,000 years ago and 6,000 years ago. Or someone saying that it was created by a god because he's just all powerful - or that it was built by aliens.

There is a Law that says something can't come from nothing. We know that the universe had a beginning and is not self-substaining.

And so the next logical step is "Well god did it?" that's not really what the string theorists think at Harvard.. And it's also lazy. Or you're somehow figuring something out we don't know.

 The nature of Suns turning hydrogen into heavier elements disprove the occilating universe theory.

Not really.. whose to say in another universe there are different elements? Elements have different weights?

Humans are pretty good at fission.. I think nature could do it too.

How do you know it wasn't two gods you've never heard of? If you're so set that magical supernatural skypeople are behind it, it could be zeus, apollo, or Joe Pesci.

Your ideas are all irrelevant anyway - what's important are that intolerant bigots are heads of major world organizations. Citizens in world nations are smarter than the leaders of the government. Power is given to people who believe in the exact same things their parents believed in. The very religions that cannot be spoken against, because, ironically, the very rules that make it a taboo to speak out against religion, allow them to breed hatred and a lack of reason. Wars are being fought because one group thinks their god gave them a place to live, and another group thinks their god gave them the same place. Obviously NEITHER god created a species or a universe and are just figments of the imaginations of fools with power.

Meanwhile, people are somehow using a lack of knowledge and false logic to promote their false beliefs. The leaders of the most powerful nations REALLY believe in biblical prophecy, and angels. The world's ecosystem is being destroyed while 60+% of the population thinks Jesus will come to end the world anyway. People can't see things in front of their very faces because they're off in lala land with an imaginary friend named, ironically, hey-zeus.

Religion is for people who don't want to learn anything. Society's defense of baseless beliefs are hurting more than any abortion doctor could. Logic is on the run, trying to escape those who seek to eliminate it. It took how many thousands of years for people to realize which "heavenly" body orbits the other? As we discover more and more, and look deeper and deeper into the universe - heaven keeps moving. Our time and reason has started explaining more about these "faiths" than about our own nature. Bloody fairytales are what's important to this society. During the last decade, more human time was expended watching rich people and celebrities than realizing the crisis in various parts of the world. The united states ignored the Congo Wars while Princess Diana died. The Christians believe they are good people - they ignore the poor and build more churches - but everyone has heard of these fools. The Jews believe God wants us to mutilate the genitals of our offspring, while our attention should be spent making the world better - instead of trying to get into heaven by using amputation. Muslims are the best example of the problem - it is possible that someone can know how to build a bomb, and simultaneously believe in things without any proof. The truth is... it will take a long time for humans to let go of this belief in magic. We may be dead before we realize we're all the same, and that we all should be loved and cared for.

 It's a three barrel gun.

1. Nuclear War

2. Overpopulation

3. Global warming

There's your holy trinity right there.

"You say that well educated people believe what others tell them?"

You obviously didn't understand.

"Christian means to be Christ like, and I do not see anyone being Christ like, just a huge group of people that go to sleep around, do drugs, cheat, steal, and go to church to feel better about themselves."

http://godisimaginary.com/i39.htm

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vk2bs1DyTg

Honestly, people should be Duncanlike, I don't steal, do drugs, drink, go to church, or sleep around, I don't even have sex. I don't hate anyone. Jesus is racist, contradicts himself, and agrees with the bizarre laws in the old testament. There is no evidence of him ever existing. But I exist. And I am thus a better person that Jesus + actually real. If he is god, he is the greatest mass murderer of all time. If I was God, I would not let bad things happen like Jesus obviously does.

The Jesus in the bible must not be the Jesus you're talking about.

I think you might be thinking of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Or at least you must be thinking of a good person.

Duncan McNeil for God in year 0000001 (of our lord Duncan McNeil). My campaign slogan -

"I'm more than just some imaginary friend who steals and lies!"

I will actually listen to prayers instead of doing the best illusion ever!

http://godisimaginary.com/video8.htm

Only if you Change your name to Duncan McCloud and you have to say...."There can be only one!"

And, you have to own a sword, and tell us you are immortal!  lol

1 - Aye it meant to be that way. Look back at the post and look who put down who. Namely look at my 1st post then your reply to it.

2 - i did give you clear examples in the 1st paragraph that you have conveniently not included in the quotes. To re-iterate so you dont have to look them up. Galapagos Island Birds are a well known and easily internet researchable example of populations that diverge and create new species due to environmental factors. If you want to see something more obvious, look at turtles and tortoises (lots of interesting things there and you can see it easily). DNA can easily be manipulated in smaller species (that we understand and have mapped) to create new species that produce specific molecules we want them to make (heck we were doing this even before we had gene mapping... insulin anyone?). The study of Embryology ties all the above together very nicely as does a general overview of world ecology. Where is your proof and is there any of any kind aside from your own emotional feelings?

3 - I am not sure what your question is asking. Are you asking whether or not I think other animals can have a brain like our own? If so, we know there were other species of Homo that are extinct thus it is undenyable. Or are you asking me if i think that it is impossible that anything else could develop a high functioning brain? I dont know why you would ask that however when I am making a pro-evolution argument. Please clarify the question for me.

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1 - Same as above

2a - But we are not that seperated at all. Even among living species we are incredibly similar to apes. If you look at the fossil records you also note that we are not the only species of homo to exist. Other species with similar brain function did indeed exist and they aparently knew how to use tool and communicate like we do. We just dont know why they are extinct now. One idea is that we killed them and another is there was some kind of super disease they couldnt resist. Who knows what happened to other homo's (no pun intended...) but we are not unique and it is not out of the question that our own species might diverge if faced with some kind of event like a super disease or higher levels of radiation or even a something like a beneficial mutation.

2b - Well the difference between your opinion and my own is that mine has some fact attached to it while yours is just widely supported but for no other reason than tradition.

Our ability to do things beyond what seems to be useful for our body is simply a byproduct of our higher brain function but it isnt just that simple. Think about this for a second. Our ability to think outside the "box" (if you will) gives us a huge evolutionary advantage. The ability to look and understand physics, the ability to make tools, the ability to fantasize, the ability to communicate. All these things give us a huge undenyable advantage over the forces of natural selection because they ultimately help us survive as a species. In other words, our high functioning brains CAN indeed be attributed to the natural result of evolution (and much more likely than design) and thus the things we do are indeed natural as well because it is precisely those things that help us survive. Seems to me that higher brain function is indeed the next logical step in evolution on this planet given the state of other animals of our own scale around us (in terms of size). You can try to seperate yourself from your body all you like, but whether you like it or not, even religion is a natural form of survival that has helped us survive in the past by bringing individuals together to solve common problems. As funny as this sounds after all this bickering, we need all the religions and different beliefs so that we can survive as a species. All these things are just a highly evolved form of defense.

Certainly that means anyone else is a bad person right? Counting only the followers of christianity, judaism, and islam leaves a fair amount of the population of earth. How evil a person must be to tell everyone else, "sorry, you're going to hell," actually, you can't even be sorry. Despite the fact that in US prisons 70+% of them are religious just like the 70+% of the US, atheists make less than a percent in these prisons and make up many times that in the US.

 Actually, it says ALL who beleive in God. To me that means a lot more people that those who identify themselves as Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Not knowing the exact number, but there are probably 98% or more of the world's population beleives in a god. To me, from the script I quoted would related to the same God regardless of what the individual believes is the difference between thier belief system and mine. I am not that narrow minded.

 I for one never told you you were going to hell. The fact that 70+% of people in prison are religious means nothing. Based on your example it just fits the overall % of the population the US. Same number of people are bad regardless of their beliefs. BTW, athiest are no where near 30% of the US population. If that were true then how the hell did GWBush get re-elected.

 But have you ever read anything that matters? Something that is real and useful? Something about math, science or history? Something you can use? Obviously a religious person would save lives - but they don't, doctors do - doctors who actually know things. You say the "best one in my opinion" but aren't they all written by god? Shouldn't they all be the same? Unless a different god wrote them all. As you read this, you will begin making rationalizations.

 Have you? I have a B.S. in Computer Science from the University of Arizona. I have read novels on non-religious scientific material. I firmly know evolution is how homo sapiens became. I also beleive that God created the rules of the natural order of things and thus created all. Science, logic, and God coexist perfectly, it is the narrowminded people on both sides of the coin, religious and atheist, that cause the problems.

Plenty of religious people save lives. Ghandi for one. It is really pointless to go into detail on that. Also NO all of the religious books were not written by God. That is why they have imperfections and inconsitencies. Such as the two creation stories in Genesis.

Why is there suffering in the world? If it is wrong to torture, why would god let it happen?

God gave all humans free will. What we do with is our choice not God's. Torture is wrong and again free will. How could an all loving God not allow you to make our own choices in life? Then it would be like a dictator and not a loving parent who advises you on what to do and not to, but still lets you fall when you are learning to ride a bike. What you do is on you, not God.

Why do the marriages of atheists have high success rates, higher than religious people? Certainly they'd be doomed.

 That is your opinion. I bet studies show that rates are equal for all beleif systems. Just like your poor example of prisoners above.

 Why doesn't god heal amputees?

Why does God allow children to be born dead? Why does God allow deafness, blindness, and every other increadibly saddening illness exist? I don't know I am not God. I would bet though it is related to be above answer on free will and not dictating every micro-transaction of DNA and other natural selection that happens in the universe. Maybe its an overall test of humanity to see how we care for fellow man. Maybe God has a sense of humor, after all God leaves you with your logic. 

You're quoting from your own book to prove the vailidity of it?

Actaully, I don't think I did that. I specifically stated that I consider myself Muslim by definition, not practice. I in fact don't think any book is 100% valid. Man has corrupted everything from what I can tell. I mearly quoted on passage of the Quran as the center of my belief, that all people who beleive in God, regardless of what they call themselves, and do good things will get rewarded. Don't see how that tries to prove the validity of any book. But, thanks for jumping to conclusions, play again.

 Religious people have faith in MAN not in GOD.

If you say so. I believe in a God that created all. I know that Man is weak and that is why God created religion and sacred paths/books. I know that there are plenty of people, like me, who do not need these strict guidlines to be an overall good person and complete God's intent of good will toward all life. 

What makes your belief more real than the belief in any extinct god?

This implys that God once existed. Doesn't that go against your ideologies. I believe all faith in God's have the same origin in the one true God. 

You can have all the faith in gods and fairies and magic water and heaven and the afterlife.. but I bet you look both ways when you cross the street.

The bottom line is this: Either the bible was written by god, or it wasn't.

It wasn't. It was written by men. 

People claim that they get their morality the bible, but the bible is immoral - it is your brain that tells you which parts are immoral.

Morality is in the logic and reasoning that God gaves each of us. Not in some book, however, as I mentioned above too many people are weak and need it in writing and scared into them in order to behave. Just like some children can be told not to do something and just listen, while others need to be spanked. 

You know, Muhammad did not practice islam, and Jesus was not a christian.

Jesus, true, Muhammad, not true. Islam is Arabic for 'submission'. In religious sense 'submission to God'. Muhammad did just that. I do beleive that many of the practices by modern mainstream Islam were not followed by Muhammad. Hence the fact that I don't beleive the Quran is pristine. 

"We shall tell ourselves that it would be very nice if there were a God who created the world and was a benevolent providence and if there were a moral order in the universe and an afterlife, but it is a very striking fact that all this is exactly as we are bound to wish it to be."

Nice quote. Guess we will eventually find out. Either way, what you believe doesn't affect me and so on. 

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."

Unfortunately the Bible is horrendous and increadibly inconsistent as well as self destructive. But, the simple ideas it protrays still make sense. Believe in God and be good to eachother. 

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom too?"

What's wrong with fairies. What did they piss in your cereal. 

Isn't the Wii proof enough that there is a God.

DuncanMcNeil watches too much Penn & Teller.

1. People suffer because they are seperated from God, because of the first sin. The whole point of life now is to get back to God.

2. Someone doesn't understand the difference between the Old and New Testaments...

3. If you kill people in the name of God, that's a sin. To have some kind of mass killing is against Christianity. Those people are barely Christians at all. If you believe that this is Christianity, than you obviously haven't studied Christianity at all. The biggest thorns in Christianity are the "fake christians" within.

4. Basically #3. But let me tell you something. A preist rapes a boy, so all of Christianity is wrong. That's your thoughts right? And what if that same scientist rapes a boy? They all are (according to Christianity and Governmental Laws) wrong. So what's your point?

5. Jesus never existed and all of Christianity started from nowhere. Dumbass (excuse me).

* I have to go, i'll finish later *