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psrock on 31 May 2008

All the dev have to do is follow the money and right now the money is with the wii. But, what types of games they will create for it is the problem.



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LordTheNightKnight on 31 May 2008

This is from Destructoid staffer Jim Sterling. He is no Wii fanboy, as his post history shows. Yet he's not pleased with this.

Ubisoft responds to lineup criticsm, dumps all over its good games

An Ubisoft rep has responded to criticism that its Wii lineup contains nothing for "normal" gamers by essentially saying that nobody cares about their best games, so screw it.

Looking at the current UK games sales for Wii Wii Sales Link, there are not that many traditional games in the top 30. Trends are changing and not everyone wants a new action game, FPS game or epic RPG, sales of the Wii proves that the majority want something different.

Parents who are buying a console for their children do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry on the box, they want games that are going to be good for their children and not get them in the local newspaper. Why else would games like Brain Training/Wii Fit/Mario Party sell in the millions if people wanted hardcore games?

... Ubisoft have always been aimed at the more mature market (Look at our back catalogue) and in the last few years have started venturing into the casual gaming market. This is because that market now exists, thanks to the rise in popularity of the Wii and DS.

This makes me angry, not so much because of "omg casual games are killing us," but because Ubisoft is being very blinkered. I still think appealing so strongly to the casual market will bite some people in the end, because casual gamers don't buy a lot of software. Sure, they go crazy for fads like Brain Training, but that doesn't mean Dr. Ubisoft's Brainy Adventure is going to sell just as well. Most people bought the Wii because it had Wii Sports in the box, and most likely won't need that many new games. If I recall correctly, the Xbox 360 sells a very high amount of software, because traditional gamers buy many games.

Saying that the casual market only "now" exists thanks to the Wii and DS is ludicrous. Casual gamers have been around since gaming first started, and they play more than "me-too" attempts at mass-marketed crap. Also, I didn't realize only so-called "casual" games sold these days. I'll pass the memo to Rockstar.



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Gamerace on 31 May 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
Gamerace said:
Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here but while they don't have all the answers, I do think Ubisoft is generally correct.

Let's face fact folks - Assasin's Creed would not have sold 1m on Wii. Not even close.



Let's face facts. You thinking it wouldn't isn't proof it wouldn't.

That is a bullshit statement, with no actual proof to back it up. Reducing the game for the Wii is not proof.


Granted - That's a bullshit statement - I can't back it up (bet you didn't expect that response).  But here's my thinking.  Most core gamers I know own both a Wii and HD system.  Which system do you think they'd buy a game like AC on?



 

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brawl4life on 31 May 2008
Gamerace said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Gamerace said:
Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here but while they don't have all the answers, I do think Ubisoft is generally correct.

Let's face fact folks - Assasin's Creed would not have sold 1m on Wii. Not even close.



Let's face facts. You thinking it wouldn't isn't proof it wouldn't.

That is a bullshit statement, with no actual proof to back it up. Reducing the game for the Wii is not proof.


Granted - That's a bullshit statement - I can't back it up (bet you didn't expect that response). But here's my thinking. Most core gamers I know own both a Wii and HD system. Which system do you think they'd buy a game like AC on?

Wii ! For comparison if AC had good enough motion control (stab, twist, motions ect) I would definitely grab the wii version over HD or maybe even PC. This is gonna be a good test coming up when Star Wars Force Unleash comes out for all systems. Will more gamers grab the wii version for motion lightsaber controls or HD graphics ? 

 



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Kasz216 on 31 May 2008
jman8 said:
Kasz216 said:
jman8 said:
 

I dunno, I look at that and see a lot of ports of old games, pretty mediocre casual titles, huge franchises or spin offs of huge franchises. I see nothing there that indicates an obscure title like Beyond Good and Evil would do well on the Wii considering both Okami and No More Heroes weren't all that well received. Even a title like Prince of Persia doesn't seem like a sure bet considering that franchise is no where near as well known as Resident Evil or Sonic.


If by "not well received" you mean... almost as well recevied when the game was new (270,000 WW) and well better recevied by any game every made by said developer you'd have a point.

 

You'd also have a really stupid definition of "not well received."

Lord almighty, I never said Okami or No More Heroes failed. The point I was making is that there sales weren't stellar. Yeah, they made money. But when Ubi can throw out anything with the name of Tom Clancy and have it sell nearly a million copies on the PS3 and 360, why would they devote their developers to the Wii instead?

Yes, the Wii is the leading single console. But the fact of the matter is that it's not competing against any single console. When a developer chooses to make a game, they have to either choose to make it for the Wii OR the PS360 (and PC). The PS3 and 360 combined have the higher user base and the greatest percentage of hardcore gamers. Again, why would you develop for the Wii over the PS360?

 

Edit: I understand that developing for PS360 and the Wii aren't mutually exclusive. However, resources are limited. Therefore, it makes sense to devote the majority of whatever resources you have to the PS360.


Where has a Tomi Clancy game not sold a million or more copies on Wii?

psrock on 31 May 2008
brawl4life said:
Gamerace said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Gamerace said:
Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here but while they don't have all the answers, I do think Ubisoft is generally correct.

Let's face fact folks - Assasin's Creed would not have sold 1m on Wii. Not even close.



Let's face facts. You thinking it wouldn't isn't proof it wouldn't.

That is a bullshit statement, with no actual proof to back it up. Reducing the game for the Wii is not proof.


Granted - That's a bullshit statement - I can't back it up (bet you didn't expect that response). But here's my thinking. Most core gamers I know own both a Wii and HD system. Which system do you think they'd buy a game like AC on?

Wii ! For comparison if AC had good enough motion control (stab, twist, motions ect) I would definitely grab the wii version over HD or maybe even PC. This is gonna be a good test coming up when Star Wars Force Unleash comes out for all systems. Will more gamers grab the wii version for motion lightsaber controls or HD graphics ? 

 


what will happen when both xbox and ps3 have motion control?

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LordTheNightKnight on 31 May 2008
Gamerace said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Gamerace said:
Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here but while they don't have all the answers, I do think Ubisoft is generally correct.

Let's face fact folks - Assasin's Creed would not have sold 1m on Wii. Not even close.



Let's face facts. You thinking it wouldn't isn't proof it wouldn't.

That is a bullshit statement, with no actual proof to back it up. Reducing the game for the Wii is not proof.


Granted - That's a bullshit statement - I can't back it up (bet you didn't expect that response). But here's my thinking. Most core gamers I know own both a Wii and HD system. Which system do you think they'd buy a game like AC on?


Depends on the situation.

If a gamer wanted to save a little money, then the Wii version.

If a gamer preffered motion controls, then the Wii version.

If a gamer preffered a gamepa, and that wasn't an option on the Wii version (RE4 Wii had it; Okami Wii didn't), then the HD version.

If a gamer wanted the larger scale AI, then the HD version.

If a gamer wanted achievements, then the 360 version.

The thing is that the game would not be lacking compared to the other versions, if done with as much care and effort as the other versions. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

brawl4life on 31 May 2008
psrock said:
brawl4life said:
Gamerace said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Gamerace said:
Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here but while they don't have all the answers, I do think Ubisoft is generally correct.

Let's face fact folks - Assasin's Creed would not have sold 1m on Wii. Not even close.



Let's face facts. You thinking it wouldn't isn't proof it wouldn't.

That is a bullshit statement, with no actual proof to back it up. Reducing the game for the Wii is not proof.


Granted - That's a bullshit statement - I can't back it up (bet you didn't expect that response). But here's my thinking. Most core gamers I know own both a Wii and HD system. Which system do you think they'd buy a game like AC on?

Wii ! For comparison if AC had good enough motion control (stab, twist, motions ect) I would definitely grab the wii version over HD or maybe even PC. This is gonna be a good test coming up when Star Wars Force Unleash comes out for all systems. Will more gamers grab the wii version for motion lightsaber controls or HD graphics ?

 


 

what will happen when both xbox and ps3 have motion control?
ummm then the wii fails .....

 



LordTheNightKnight on 31 May 2008
Kasz216 said:
jman8 said:
Kasz216 said:
jman8 said:
 

I dunno, I look at that and see a lot of ports of old games, pretty mediocre casual titles, huge franchises or spin offs of huge franchises. I see nothing there that indicates an obscure title like Beyond Good and Evil would do well on the Wii considering both Okami and No More Heroes weren't all that well received. Even a title like Prince of Persia doesn't seem like a sure bet considering that franchise is no where near as well known as Resident Evil or Sonic.


If by "not well received" you mean... almost as well recevied when the game was new (270,000 WW) and well better recevied by any game every made by said developer you'd have a point.

 

You'd also have a really stupid definition of "not well received."

Lord almighty, I never said Okami or No More Heroes failed. The point I was making is that there sales weren't stellar. Yeah, they made money. But when Ubi can throw out anything with the name of Tom Clancy and have it sell nearly a million copies on the PS3 and 360, why would they devote their developers to the Wii instead?

Yes, the Wii is the leading single console. But the fact of the matter is that it's not competing against any single console. When a developer chooses to make a game, they have to either choose to make it for the Wii OR the PS360 (and PC). The PS3 and 360 combined have the higher user base and the greatest percentage of hardcore gamers. Again, why would you develop for the Wii over the PS360?

 

Edit: I understand that developing for PS360 and the Wii aren't mutually exclusive. However, resources are limited. Therefore, it makes sense to devote the majority of whatever resources you have to the PS360.


Where has a Tomi Clancy game not sold a million or more copies on Wii?

Splinter Cell Double Agent was on the Wii, but it had almost no marketing, and was considered shoddy work anyway.

Or perhaps the Wii just magically made it work that way. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs