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Squilliam on 27 May 2008
NJ5 said:
Squilliam said:

A. Good game, wide appeal to lots of people of all ages due to the subject matter, poor sales. I don't get it. This isn't just a franchise, its the most popular sport in the world.

B. NPD data shows that 5% of console owners own 2 or more current gen systems. With 3 million PS2 games sold it shows that either there are a lot of dual PS2/Wii owners that bought the game on the PS2 or that the new Wii owners just aren't interested. I would pick its both of those factors. Still the sales are terrible compared to the other consoles.

I don't get it. Im concerned that the sales are that low.


The sales are not terrible at all when you consider all the factors people presented in this thread. I think you'll see much better sales for PES09 Wii than you did for PES08, provided Konami launches it at the same time as the PS2/PC versions. The vast majority of people simply don't want to own more than one version of the same game.

The people who bought PES08 for the Wii were probably in one of the following groups:

1- People who never had owned a PES game before.

2- Hardcore PES fans who don't mind having more than one version of PES08.

3- People who specifically waited for the Wii version of the game.

To me, this is more than enough to explain PES08 Wii's sales (which frankly aren't that bad for the short timeframe we're looking at here).

 


Just read them, big one was the soccer season!

Phew. That explains it nicely!



Tease.

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yushire on 27 May 2008
Viper1 said:
Squilliam said:
Viper1 said:
Squilliam said:
Pro Evolution soccer - Half a million sales and it was decent. This game also had a great innovative control scheme and was outsold by console that did not 2/1! And it was outsold 3:1 by a console that had less than half the market share!

Okami - 100k

Trauma centre:Second opinion: -Half a million sales.

All 80+ games so they were good, but what I wonder about is the fact that PES 2008 sold so BADLY on the Wii.

2 issues.

 

A. The Playstation brand has always been associated with the PES brand so most previous PES series owners instincts were to go for the PS version.

B. It came out months after the PS3/X360 version.

 

2 issues.

A. Good games shouldn't sell that badly when the market share is that much greater in a genre that is popular.

B. Doesn't matter, isn't this meant to be the BEST version because it takes advantage of the Wiimote? Coming out months after is only important for the hardcore market. Nintendo software often has delays between Europe and U.S for instance.

 

A. Most fans didn't know the Wii version was better. Most fans don't read reviews. They simply follow what they've always done....buy the new season on the same console brand they always have.

B. See above and if you can explain to me how a delayed release against compeition isn't detrimental to sales, I'm willing to listen.

 

Far as I can see, you're intentionally ignoring the issues all in an attempt to debase the sales of PES on Wii.

 

 

Yushire, Ubisoft announced Red Steel 2 a long time ago.

 

The supposed announcement published a year ago, to be exact 06 27 2007 still waiting:

http://www.destructoid.com/red-steel-2-announced-my-roommate-cringes-in-horror-33811.phtml

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

windbane on 27 May 2008
rocketpig said:
misteromar mk4 said:
What will happen to them is they will face development cost many times higher and be selling to user base many times smaller. Which will greatly reduce their revenue to invest in more games. Its just a bad business decision.

With Konami, Epic and Ubisoft etc they will no longer be top dogs and will have the developers who do make quality games for the wii take over their spot in the gaming world.

Ubisoft enjoyed sales of nearly 7.5m with Assassin's Creed.

Konami has MGS4 coming in two weeks.

Epic has enjoyed massive sales with Gears and has licensed their engine for use by some of the highest profile developers out there (Mistwalker, 2k Games, BioWare, Square-Enix, etc.).

I don't understand why Wii fans can't seem to acknowledge that some companies are going for something different and can succeed without the Wii being the focus of their plans. This isn't the sixth generation anymore where you had to develop for the PS2 or you died because it had over 2/3rds of the market.

This generation, the Wii is selling roughly PS3+360 numbers every week. Companies are finding a lot of success by multi-platting games between the two consoles. These doom'n'gloom forecasts for companies focusing on high definition games are becoming ridiculous.


indeed. Also, not all companies have to focus on "hardcore" games on PS3 and 360. The online services are doing great, and so are games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero.



windbane on 27 May 2008
Ail said:
rocketpig said:
misteromar mk4 said:
What will happen to them is they will face development cost many times higher and be selling to user base many times smaller. Which will greatly reduce their revenue to invest in more games. Its just a bad business decision.

With Konami, Epic and Ubisoft etc they will no longer be top dogs and will have the developers who do make quality games for the wii take over their spot in the gaming world.

Ubisoft enjoyed sales of nearly 7.5m with Assassin's Creed.

Konami has MGS4 coming in two weeks.

Epic has enjoyed massive sales with Gears and has licensed their engine for use by some of the highest profile developers out there (Mistwalker, 2k Games, BioWare, Square-Enix, etc.).

I don't understand why Wii fans can't seem to acknowledge that some companies are going for something different and can succeed without the Wii being the focus of their plans. This isn't the sixth generation anymore where you had to develop for the PS2 or you died because it had over 2/3rds of the market.

This generation, the Wii is selling roughly PS3+360 numbers every week. Companies are finding a lot of success by multi-platting games between the two consoles. These doom'n'gloom forecasts for companies focusing on high definition games are becoming ridiculous.


Agreed :)

Like I said earlier Activision and Ubisoft had record years in 2007 without focusing on the Wii. We could turn back to the Wii fan and ask : why would they want to change a winning formula ? ( change on success is not something the shareholders will push for, to answer the shareholder argument).


oops, should have refreshed page before I also quoted da pig. yeah, the shareholder argument doesn't hold. A lot of companies are making money on HD games.



BengaBenga on 27 May 2008

So yushire, want to bet that Kid Icarus and Castlevania are coming to Wii?


To rocketpig and Ail: no-one (well at least not me) is saying that companies shouldn't make HD games. That would be just as stupid as not making Wii games.
Risk spreading should be an important part of a company's strategy.

(But Ail: Ubisofts result did include RRR2, which sold close to a million and should have made a massive profit and Activision sold a helluvalot Guitar Hero's to Wii owners).

That being said, quite a few companies showed negative results over the last financial year. For some of those it would make a lot of sense to stop making 20 million dollar games for a moment and focus on Wii.



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tuoyo on 27 May 2008
Squilliam said:
Pro Evolution soccer - Half a million sales and it was decent. This game also had a great innovative control scheme and was outsold by console that did not 2/1! And it was outsold 3:1 by a console that had less than half the market share!

Okami - 100k

Trauma centre:Second opinion: -Half a million sales.

All 80+ games so they were good, but what I wonder about is the fact that PES 2008 sold so BADLY on the Wii.

The game got released like almost a year after it was released on the other consoles.   I'm suprised it has even done so well.  At least 95% of Pro Evolution fans would have bought a PS2.  When the 2008 version came out they would have either bought it on PS2 or would have bought a PS3 or 360 for that.  They would not have known a Wii version was on the way and if they did would not have been willing to wait that long for it.   



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Me on 27 May 2008

in terms of Pro evo - as many stated this came out in february for Europe, this is 3 months before the end of the season in Uk and clearly the wrong time to be releasing a football game. Half of the modes were missing, there was no kit editing functionality, the players database was out of date but it did it's job in terms of promoting the new gameplay engine, getting a good reputation and setting itself up for the big release this year.

it was heavily rumoured that Ubisoft dumped the Red Steeel 2 project, moved location and started again - probably when they realised a cheap cash in wasn't gonna cut it so this is the quiet before the storm.



 


dib8rman on 27 May 2008

Guy, check the interwebs a little, you'll find tuns of info on ubisoft shifting their infastructure around to support their enlightend ideals on what Nintendo is on about.

In fact Nintendo recently congradulated them on their game (I think it was imagine babies or the cross word puzzle one.) Which proceeded to print money for them on the DS.

Their getting themseleves in shape to support Wii but they will also show love for the other two platforms (3 if you count PC)

Konami loves nintendo, in fact they are working on a few big projects with them, they also sent off one of their teams to be Nintendo 2nd party - what team it is, I know the name but your too lazy and should at least check for yourself.

Epic is a PC only developer that moved to Consoles recently, how they have anything to do with abandoning the Wii; you would have to explain that to me, in very fine detail.

Well aside from their VP making some nasty comments about it.



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yushire on 27 May 2008
Ail said:
rocketpig said:
misteromar mk4 said:
What will happen to them is they will face development cost many times higher and be selling to user base many times smaller. Which will greatly reduce their revenue to invest in more games. Its just a bad business decision.

With Konami, Epic and Ubisoft etc they will no longer be top dogs and will have the developers who do make quality games for the wii take over their spot in the gaming world.

Ubisoft enjoyed sales of nearly 7.5m with Assassin's Creed.

Konami has MGS4 coming in two weeks.

Epic has enjoyed massive sales with Gears and has licensed their engine for use by some of the highest profile developers out there (Mistwalker, 2k Games, BioWare, Square-Enix, etc.).

I don't understand why Wii fans can't seem to acknowledge that some companies are going for something different and can succeed without the Wii being the focus of their plans. This isn't the sixth generation anymore where you had to develop for the PS2 or you died because it had over 2/3rds of the market.

This generation, the Wii is selling roughly PS3+360 numbers every week. Companies are finding a lot of success by multi-platting games between the two consoles. These doom'n'gloom forecasts for companies focusing on high definition games are becoming ridiculous.


Agreed :)

Like I said earlier Activision and Ubisoft had record years in 2007 without focusing on the Wii. We could turn back to the Wii fan and ask : why would they want to change a winning formula ? ( change on success is not something the shareholders will push for, to answer the shareholder argument).

Lets see this week sales in the coming days and lets see if that same arguement was still valid. But if the console sales of both HD consoles have healthy sales, then Ninty failed to cannibalized HD market and they fail on their market strategy, which means Malstrom is also wrong...

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

Goodlife on 27 May 2008
Squilliam said:

All 80+ games so they were good, but what I wonder about is the fact that PES 2008 sold so BADLY on the Wii.

Give it a chance, it's only been out 8 weeks in others (it's biggest selling region)