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Squilliam on 27 May 2008
Grampy said:
They'll just end up selling expensive games to develop to one half of the potential customer pool. They'll just make a lot less money than they could, at least until the stockholdes get pissed.

Actually they target their games to a software market thats worth Edit: Three times as much (Take away Wiiplay/Wiisports)  in terms of software moved AT LEAST than that of the Wii.

 PC/360/PS3.

Take Farcry 2 for instance.



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thekitchensink on 27 May 2008

Epic is the only one in that list that is 'ditching' the Wii, and that's because they make their cash selling graphics engines, and their games are showpieces for the latest iteration of Unreal.



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Viper1 on 27 May 2008
Squilliam said:
Pro Evolution soccer - Half a million sales and it was decent. This game also had a great innovative control scheme and was outsold by console that did not 2/1! And it was outsold 3:1 by a console that had less than half the market share!

Okami - 100k

Trauma centre:Second opinion: -Half a million sales.

All 80+ games so they were good, but what I wonder about is the fact that PES 2008 sold so BADLY on the Wii.

2 issues.

 

A. The Playstation brand has always been associated with the PES brand so most previous PES series owners instincts were to go for the PS version.

B. It came out months after the PS3/X360 version.

 



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misteromar mk4 on 27 May 2008

What will happen to them is they will face development cost many times higher and be selling to user base many times smaller. Which will greatly reduce their revenue to invest in more games. Its just a bad business decision.

With Konami, Epic and Ubisoft etc they will no longer be top dogs and will have the developers who do make quality games for the wii take over their spot in the gaming world.



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Squilliam on 27 May 2008
Viper1 said:
Squilliam said:
Pro Evolution soccer - Half a million sales and it was decent. This game also had a great innovative control scheme and was outsold by console that did not 2/1! And it was outsold 3:1 by a console that had less than half the market share!

Okami - 100k

Trauma centre:Second opinion: -Half a million sales.

All 80+ games so they were good, but what I wonder about is the fact that PES 2008 sold so BADLY on the Wii.

2 issues.

 

A. The Playstation brand has always been associated with the PES brand so most previous PES series owners instincts were to go for the PS version.

B. It came out months after the PS3/X360 version.

 

2 issues.

A. Good games shouldn't sell that badly when the market share is that much greater in a genre that is popular.

B. Doesn't matter, isn't this meant to be the BEST version because it takes advantage of the Wiimote? Coming out months after is only important for the hardcore market. Nintendo software often has delays between Europe and U.S for instance.

 



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NJ5 on 27 May 2008
Viper1 said:
Squilliam said:

(...) but what I wonder about is the fact that PES 2008 sold so BADLY on the Wii.

2 issues.

 

A. The Playstation brand has always been associated with the PES brand so most previous PES series owners instincts were to go for the PS version.

B. It came out months after the PS3/X360 version.

 


Actually, I don't think it matters much that it came much after the PS3/360 version. More important is the fact that it came much later than the PS2 and PC versions as well. Those are the two platforms most likely to overlap with the Wii in terms of userbase, for obvious reasons (PS2 for Japan, PS2 and PC for Europe, and America doesn't matter as PES isn't popular there).

When the PS2/PC versions came out, I'd bet that the vast majority of PES fans didn't even know there would be a Wii version. Fast forward a few months, why buy another version of a game you already have?

 



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yushire on 27 May 2008
BengaBenga said:
No public owned company can afford to "ditch" the Wii. It's that simple. Sure Epic can do what they want and their core business is pure harcore anyway, but besides them and maybe id-software every other company has to bring quality titles to the Wii or get toasted by the shareholders.

Results have been very bad for software companies lately. PS360 games require enormous investments and their userbase isn't growing very hard.
Wii on the other hand will be around 50 (!) million units sold next april.
Investors know this (hell, I'm sure big investors check VGChartz) and will ask the board why on earth there are no quality titles for the biggest userbase.

Ubisoft is a bad example because they've delivered 2 RRR and Red Steel. You wonder why Red Steel 2 takes so long? Because they didn't expect the Wii to win and now it does they want to make it a quality title. Same with Rygar.

Konami semi-announced Castlevania for Wii. I know it's not MGS but certainly a major franchise. PES already made it to Wii and is selling well.

Capcom: Monster Hunter 3; Tecmo: Fatal Frame and we'll see much more.

Interesting rumours are going on inside SquareEnix at the moment. I'll be amazed if we don't hear anything of them soon.

I think theres wrong with your posts there,

1) When did Ubisoft announced Red Steel 2 coming for the Wii? And if it announced, where are the pics? The teaser? Do you mean that the conduit was the first to show gameplay footage than Red Steel 2?

2) Since when did Konami "even" semi-announced castlevania for the Wii? Simply because theres a Wii menu on DS castlevania does mean that there'll be a castlevania for the Wii.

 



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E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

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Ail on 27 May 2008
BengaBenga said:
No public owned company can afford to "ditch" the Wii. It's that simple. Sure Epic can do what they want and their core business is pure harcore anyway, but besides them and maybe id-software every other company has to bring quality titles to the Wii or get toasted by the shareholders.

Results have been very bad for software companies lately. PS360 games require enormous investments and their userbase isn't growing very hard.
Wii on the other hand will be around 50 (!) million units sold next april.
Investors know this (hell, I'm sure big investors check VGChartz) and will ask the board why on earth there are no quality titles for the biggest userbase.

Ubisoft is a bad example because they've delivered 2 RRR and Red Steel. You wonder why Red Steel 2 takes so long? Because they didn't expect the Wii to win and now it does they want to make it a quality title. Same with Rygar.

Konami semi-announced Castlevania for Wii. I know it's not MGS but certainly a major franchise. PES already made it to Wii and is selling well.

Capcom: Monster Hunter 3; Tecmo: Fatal Frame and we'll see much more.

Interesting rumours are going on inside SquareEnix at the moment. I'll be amazed if we don't hear anything of them soon.

 

Err where did you get this idea that results were bad ?

Activision 2007 record year for revenue and profit.

Ubisoft 2007 record year for revenue and profit. 

Results have only been bad for companies that developped crap games...

Those 2 companies listed above did not develop a lot for the Wii and were the top winners for the industry last year, meaning that not focusing on the Wii does not mean death and can yield significant profit ...

 



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PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Squilliam on 27 May 2008
misteromar mk4 said:
What will happen to them is they will face development cost many times higher and be selling to user base many times smaller. Which will greatly reduce their revenue to invest in more games. Its just a bad business decision.

With Konami, Epic and Ubisoft etc they will no longer be top dogs and will have the developers who do make quality games for the wii take over their spot in the gaming world.

Gears of war 1 only cost $10million to make if you take out the engine development costs. Gears of war 2 will probably only cost the same.

 So $20million development + $40 million marketing (both games) = $60million.

10million games sales at $30 for the developer = $300million.

I think they are doing fine where they are.



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Gamerace on 27 May 2008

Isn't this obvious by now?

Companies can certainly live without the Wii BUT it means living a more precarious life. PS360 gamer are more hardcore, more decerning and want the best. So you have to really spend big, and deliver. CoD4 is making mega-bucks. However by the same token, Haze will probably be a collossal failure. CoD4 has really raised the bar and making every other FPS look bad in comparison.

Ubisoft is giving a lot of support to Wii, but perhaps not the type you're looking for. Konami has as well. Epic - doubt they ever will - they're always pushed the technological envelope and will be happy staying with PS360.