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FJ-Warez on 25 May 2008
*bleu-ocelot* said:

Having a party for 300k? yea... and i think NMH would have sold more on the PS3.

 So, you didn´t read, NMH a low budget game with poor advertisement sold better than the previous game made by the same dev...



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alpha_dk on 25 May 2008
*bleu-ocelot* said:
Soriku said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
FJ-Warez said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
ikilledkenny said:
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Having a party for 300k? yea... and i think NMH would have sold more on the PS3.

 Have you seen the game in action?  It's fugly.  Like, really fugly.  Like, it could probably be done on the PS2, much less the GC, and the wii is more powerful than the gamecube.  It is in no way a 'good looking' game. 

 Yet you think it will sell more on the HD powerhouse PS3's small userbase than on the 'Wii Sports graphics are good enough' Wii's large userbase?

 Yeah... good luck with that assertion.



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Riachu on 25 May 2008
ClaudeLv250 said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
Soriku said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
FJ-Warez said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
ikilledkenny said:
Install base. If a console is THUMPING the others, like the Wii, they want to put their games on it.

 

But why take the risks if no one is buying it?

No one is buying what???

Games are selling even if they are shovelware, the console is selling... which game with huge advertisement, huge budget is not selling???


 

Hmmm.....NMH!!



You DO know NMH is a VERY niche game right? It also never got much advertising. It is also a Suda 51 game. Suda 51 games don't sell very well, yet has sold 300k. NMH is the Suda's best selling game ever and he even had a part to commemorate the game's success. If it was on the PS3 or 360 it would have sold A LOT less. Maybe you should check up on your facts.

 

Having a party for 300k? yea... and i think NMH would have sold more on the PS3.

Why wouldn't they have a party for 300k? It sold a lot and they made a lot of money off of it. They're not goign to pretend that it did poorly because some angry nerd on the internet decided 1 million was the single benchmark for success.

At least we've moved on from people pretending NMH didn't sell, to pretending that it didn't sell enough.

 

Prople think that NMH along with Zack and wiki sold poorly but they don't reliaze that both games exceeded the relatively low sales expectations of their respective publishers.

 



 

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*bleu-ocelot* on 25 May 2008
ClaudeLv250 said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
Soriku said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
FJ-Warez said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
ikilledkenny said:
Install base. If a console is THUMPING the others, like the Wii, they want to put their games on it.

 

But why take the risks if no one is buying it?

No one is buying what???

Games are selling even if they are shovelware, the console is selling... which game with huge advertisement, huge budget is not selling???


 

Hmmm.....NMH!!



You DO know NMH is a VERY niche game right? It also never got much advertising. It is also a Suda 51 game. Suda 51 games don't sell very well, yet has sold 300k. NMH is the Suda's best selling game ever and he even had a part to commemorate the game's success. If it was on the PS3 or 360 it would have sold A LOT less. Maybe you should check up on your facts.

 

Having a party for 300k? yea... and i think NMH would have sold more on the PS3.

Why wouldn't they have a party for 300k? It sold a lot and they made a lot of money off of it. They're not goign to pretend that it did poorly because some angry nerd on the internet decided 1 million was the single benchmark for success.

At least we've moved on from people pretending NMH didn't sell, to pretending that it didn't sell enough.

 


Or maybe they want to pretend,to keep the"angry nerds" happy.=)



NintendoMonopoly on 25 May 2008

The Wii actually has a faster attach rate pace (the total games sold divided by the total consoles sold and the average amount of time each console was owned) than either the PS3 or the 360. I think upfront sales matter the most and then long-term market security. Install base and attach rate are to different aspects of same thing. The worst selling consoles often have so some of the best attach rates, but that doesn't stop them from being failures. Developers have to feel safe about working on the Wii before they just dive in and even when they do, it takes time to develop a game. Change doesn't happen over night.



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Turin_Turambar on 25 May 2008
Aj_habfan said:
Turin_Turambar said:
Aj_habfan said:
"especially japanese ones"

That's because of Microsoft paying them a truckload of cash.

At least they are trying to appeal to the japanese audience.

On topic: I think it depends on what kind of games you make, but I would say install base is more important.


Uhh, yea, I wasn't even talking about that, I was refering to how it has nothing to do with the 360's attach-rate.


 Sorry, I misunterstood, my apologies



Kasz216 on 25 May 2008
Riachu said:
SaviorX said:
.......um..........The Wii's third party alone has sold more than every 1st, 2nd, & 3rd party game the 360 has, and the PS3. Even if their third party is "low quality", so was the PS2s. You make it seem like every 3rd party PS2 game was classic.

Why even bother comparing the Wii to the PS2, why not the PS3 & 360 as well? The PS2 has been out almost 8 years while the Wii has only been out 19 months. The userbase of the Wii is nowhere near that of the PS2 yet and neither is it's library.

How long are those Japanese ones going to support the 360 in Japan. The highest selling 360 game over in Japan is Blue Dragon, with 203k, the game below that is 105k.

We have no idea what Nintendo's upcoming 1st party games will be until E3, so how can they be exhausted? Nintendo would be extremely stupid to have blockbuster 1st party games released month after month and leave 7 months of the calendar without a game.

As for the Wii's demise, don't count on it. It won't fall off the face of the earth anytime soon, not with the excellent games available (though not as much as 360). The 1st party efforts will carry it to E3 and 3rd party games will be peppered in release in the meantime. Not even GTA4 could singe the hair on the Wii's toe knuckles. Wii has captured Japan no doubt and won't let it go.

Your profile picture didn't help your argument either.
I can understand why they aren't buying a 360 but why are the Japanese not buying a PS3, do they hate it?

 


Japan has a history of picking one console early and pretending the others don't exist. Japan picked the Wii this time... only hope for PS3 is Final Fantasy.

Not that a game has ever saved a console after Japan has made it's choice.  But if any game could.  It'd be Dragon Quest.  Then Final Fantasy.  Final Fantasy would be 2.



exnoctem on 25 May 2008
*bleu-ocelot* said:

How does the 360 being out longer affect the attach-ratio now? Where the 360 leads and the wii 2nd because of their AAA games rolling out one after another.More people just buy games for their 360's.

 Because microsoft had a whole extra year to sell games while nintendo and sony didnt.

 

More time on the market= more time to sell games= more games sold per unit.

 

The real equation would be comparing attach rates after the first year on the market. This would create a level playing field and allow for a more objective answer. 



F@ck Ubisoft and their commitment to Wii shovelware.

SaviorX on 25 May 2008

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"Dragon Quest is going to ds. After IX I think the series will go to the wii. "

I was aware that a DQ game was going to the DS, but I thoughta console version would be on the PS3 as well, hmm. My mistake. I know there were two games that couldn't be released in the same year, it was Final Fantasy XIII and ???........



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sc94597 on 25 May 2008
SaviorX said:
@sc94597
"Dragon Quest is going to ds. After IX I think the series will go to the wii. "

I was aware that a DQ game was going to the DS, but I thoughta console version would be on the PS3 as well, hmm. My mistake. I know there were two games that couldn't be released in the same year, it was Final Fantasy XIII and ???........

 Dragon Quest IX, square enix doesn't want two of their biggest games coming one year and then the next have nothing.