About the "incident which forced Sony to forget about marketshare". It cannot be the Sony DRM-thingy, that is way too old.

Im thinking something - a statement by Kaz? , or the low shipping target itself...? - that directly connects with Sony focusing on profitability from here on.

Bored4Life, where r u? Wake up. And stop talking in riddles.

Epic thread! Very informative

I'd assume the incident is the fact that sony recently stated that they are now focusing on profitability and will not be lowering the price of the PS3 any time soon.

What does this say to me? They will be maximising the amount of money that they can get from the audience they already have on the PS3 which means that they aren't going to be targeting the downmarket.. That is my view on how Nintendo have screwed over Sony..

I also heard recently a quote about Miyamoto being ordered to a park to test a new software for the DS. I can't be sure where I heard that and obviously it could be anything but I think that could point to bored4life's argument about a software for the DS so that everybody in Japan would own a console. In any case I think that Nintendo's E3 press conference will have more DS than people think and that may detract from the wii's showing but really does the wii need any more press? Also what about Wii Music? It seems like a lot of music centric games are coming to the Wii.. Wii Music will be coming out AFTER the 3rd parties take on the genre, which brings me to another point..

If 3rd Parties do indeed follow Nintendo's strategy, party compilations, wii fit rip offs coming in, petz, brain helper-outer-er, nd other wat not.. i think it'll b interesting to look at E3 announcements in terms of what Nintendo's next step is and how far behind 3rd parties are..

You can't. The terms upstream and downstream do not make sense in this context. The act of going from downmarket to upmarket (or vice versa) does not involve streaming of any kind.

For some reason, you appear to be the only person that has noticed this.

There is a very good reason the "HD consoles" have tons of hardcore games coming to them this year: 

A) That is all that they were designed for.
B) HD console games can take 1.5-3 years to make, indicating that many of these games are games they've been working on since before they knew the Wii would be the market leader.  Once again, many 3rd party companies switched gears and started focusing more on Wii and DS after their launches, and it takes time to make a video game.  That is why these games didn't start showing up overnight.  But, as news breaks, we're seeing more and more focus on the Wii and more and more of that focus is gradually showing hardcore titles.

Shall I remind you:

Fatal Frame IV
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Kid Icarus
Star Wars: TFU
Star Wars: Clone Wars
Star Wars: Battlefront III
The Conduit
MadWorld
Okami
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
The Chocobo games
Blast Works
Monster Lab
Call of Duty 5
Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30/Double Time
Castlevania Judgement
Spyborgs
Tenchu 4
Mega Man 9 (WiiWare or not, this will be a big deal)
Tecmo Bowl
Tales of Symphonia
Arc Rise Fantasia
Rock Band 2
Guitar Hero 4 & Aerosmith
Onechanbara R (though poorly reviewed in it's Japanese form, perhaps refined since then)
Sonic Unleashed
Rygar
Skate It
Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon
Ghostbusters
Harvest Moon
The King of Fighters Collection
The Last Ninja (apparently)
Lego Batman
Lego Indiana Jones
Lost in Blue: Shipwrecked
Monster Hunter 3
Mushroom Men
Deadly Creatures
Some new Naruto game
2 One Piece games
Strongbad's Cool Game for Attractive People
Prince of Persia
Pyroblazer
Red Steel 2
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles 2 (I bet pretty much anything we'll see it happen)
Rune Factory Frontier
Sadness
Sam & Max Season One
SimCity Creator
The Sky Crawlers
Soul Eater: Monotone Princess
Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Spore
Swords of Legendia
Zombie Massacre

Are all coming to the Wii through 2009, not counting the wealth of unannounced titles.

Yushire, this thread just seems to be a follow-up to your other thread where the basic idea was that you believe there will be one or two "key" games that make or break the Wii and how you just don't think there are any hardcore titles coming to the thing.

The only thing left is for Nintendo owners (and strict Nintendo fanboys) to wake the hell up and start actually buying 3rd party software.  The best and fastest way to get more, and better, 3rd party hardcore titles is to be showing those developers and publishers that there's a market for them on the Wii.  And that means opening your damn wallets on something other than Mario Party 8 or Legend of Zelda: Refurbished Plot 3.

Too many Wii owners, I think, whine and complain that there isn't enough in the hardcore vein for them, yet, they don't bother every buying those games.