skip said:
Yeah I agree with dogs aswell. I would also like to add that letting yourself lose one liberty is the stepping stone too the loss of another. + there is a high probability that this will end up being a failure and a big money pit.
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Personally I don't like to use "slippery slope" arguments, but it does work.
@ Teal statement:
Are you thinking of the Canadian gun registry, which cost Canadians 2Billion $ rather than a few million? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_registry
twesterm said:
The problem with taking random quotes from random places is they are often taken out of context. I'm sure that quote is talking about something that doesn't involve trying to actually protect people and prevent horrible crimes. Like I've said, you can either be stubborn and stick to your guns for absolutely no good reason or you can actually realize that something like that would go a *veyr* long way in stopping crimes like terrorist attacks or people epxloiting children on the internet. |
Yes there is a major difference between a country defending against attacks from another country and a country defending against a group of people. There is the massive difference between an organized army hell bent in taking over a country and reshaping it into what they want and an armed terrorist organization that is hell bent in taking over a country and reshaping it into what they want. Massive difference there.. massive... did I say massive?
As for protecting children, this might help. But really is it going stop this completely or just make it so child molestors will have to learn to encrypt their networks making them nearly impossible to track? Ya, doing this would be the wrong way of going about this issue. The better idea would be to setup a dedicated internet defence force whose sole purpose is to stop the crimes against children.
If you like the idea of this database, you think that lawsuits around the world are bad? get ready to see the music, movies, gaming, and software industry gain access to the information and sue atleast a billion people. Especially if this idea takes root in other countries. The lawsuits could end up destroying many countries, including the USA.
Dogs Rule said:
Personally I don't like to use "slippery slope" arguments, but it does work. @ Teal statement: Are you thinking of the Canadian gun registry, which cost Canadians 2Billion $ rather than a few million? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_registry
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yeah I was thinking about the gun registry.
ssj12 said:
Yes there is a major difference between a country defending against attacks from another country and a country defending against a group of people. There is the massive difference between an organized army hell bent in taking over a country and reshaping it into what they want and an armed terrorist organization that is hell bent in taking over a country and reshaping it into what they want. Massive difference there.. massive... did I say massive? As for protecting children, this might help. But really is it going stop this completely or just make it so child molestors will have to learn to encrypt their networks making them nearly impossible to track? Ya, doing this would be the wrong way of going about this issue. The better idea would be to setup a dedicated internet defence force whose sole purpose is to stop the crimes against children. If you like the idea of this database, you think that lawsuits around the world are bad? get ready to see the music, movies, gaming, and software industry gain access to the information and sue atleast a half billion people. Especially if this idea takes root in other countries. The lawsuits could end up destroying many countries, including the USA. |
| Dogs Rule said: They can get away with this in the U.K. because people are still subjects to the monarchy. |
If the people of the UK actually cared about something so much, the Government would have to change their ways. You know, they still care about winning elections, etc.
Oh, and I need to reinstate this. This is not recording the contents of these phone calls, messages, emails. Only information about who sent to who, and at what time.
| twesterm said: Like I've said, you can either be stubborn and stick to your guns for absolutely no good reason or you can actually realize that something like that would go a *veyr* long way in stopping crimes like terrorist attacks or people epxloiting children on the internet. |
SamuelRSmith said:
If the people of the UK actually cared about something so much, the Government would have to change their ways. You know, they still care about winning elections, etc.
Oh, and I need to reinstate this. This is not recording the contents of these phone calls, messages, emails. Only information about who sent to who, and at what time. |
So what's the point?
The risk of terror attacks now is less than it was in the 80s and yet people still think that they live under the constant threat of bombings. This wasn't needed to combat the IRA and it's not needed now.
Dogs Rule said:
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In the perfect world, yes. But with the world being run by money. Any major company could buy the records. The governments would write the payment off as protecting individual rights of companies.
Government Database! oh no, not again! expect the data to be lost within a year.
ssj12 said:
In the perfect world, yes. But with the world being run by money. Any major company could buy the records. The governments would write the payment off as protecting individual rights of companies. |
THat is why western countries have strong judicial systems that are a seperate branch from the executive and legislative branches of the government: to make sure the governments dont adopt unconstitutional laws or make unconstitutional decisions. Once the Supreme court determines that the right to privacy outweights the right of the record companies to gather information on pirates, which is basically how the Supreme court of Canada dealt with music piracy in Canada, then all evidence collected that way would be inadmissible.
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