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The UK government is planning a huge database that would hold details of all phone calls, text messages, emails and internet use of every UK citizen.

The database is being touted as a way to combat terrorism and will be introduced in a new Communications Data Bill planned for the Queen's Speech in November.

Information would be held for 12 months and could be accessed by police and security services in possession of a court order.

"We have warned before that we are sleepwalking into a surveillance society, " said assistant Information Commissioner Jonathan Bamford.

"Holding large collections of data is always risky. The more data that is collected and stored, the bigger the problem when the data is lost, traded or stolen.

"Defeating crime and terrorism is of the utmost importance, but we are not aware of any pressing need to justify the government holding this sort of data. "

Technology companies have been quick to challenge the move, pointing out that such a vast database would be immensely difficult to manage, would be a boon to identity thieves and would do little to counter terrorism.

Jamie Cowper, a data protection and encryption expert at PGP Corporation, said: "You have to admire the government's gall in attempting to bring in yet another 'super-database' with public confidence still in tatters over recent data lapses.

"Surely it would be more logical to focus on fixing the existing databases and proving their security before introducing new ones.

"The bottom line is that information of this nature should only be held if it can be demonstrated that an appropriate system of checks and balances is in place and the security of the information being stored is of paramount concern. "

The unprecedented amount of data to be stored and analysed has raised particular concerns.

Over 50 billion text messages are sent each year in the UK, and over three billion emails are sent every day.

"The database would have to manage exponentially growing volumes of 'unstructured' data," said Chris Dean, director at independent IT consultancy DWM Group.

"The huge amount of information generated by emails, phone calls and web browsing will make the task of collating and retrieving information on demand enormous.

"Unless very carefully designed [this database] could become a white elephant because of performance problems."

The proposals will face a rough ride getting through parliament. Shadow Home Secretary David Davis has referred to the database as more of a threat than a support in stopping crime, and Liberal Democrats have pledged to fight the moves.

"Ministers have taken leave of their senses if they think that this proposal is compatible with a free country and a free people," said Liberal Democrat Shadow Home Secretary Chris Huhne.

"Given its appalling track record of data loss, this government simply cannot be trusted with private information. This is an Orwellian step too far."

 

I thought this was 2008 not 1984.



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When will western governments realize that taking away civil liberties (such as privacy) is making terrorists win (because we are changing our lives)?



Why do people care if your communication is logged?

Unless you actually have something to hide the person monitoring your whatever isn't going to care about the excessive amount of porn on your hard drive or you talking dirty to someone in an email. 



@twestern, would you seriously give out credit card info, SSN, or any other sensitive info over the phone knowing it is going to be logged? Some people don't do any of that over the internet because of security concerns and for good reason. All they are doing is upping the amount of taxes people will need to pay, and adding another way for identity thieves to steal information.




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twesterm said:

Why do people care if your communication is logged?

Unless you actually have something to hide the person monitoring your whatever isn't going to care about the excessive amount of porn on your hard drive or you talking dirty to someone in an email. 


It depends on the porn, and if ponies are involved I spose.

If it is put into action people should start using encryption on all communication wherever possible.

@Dogs Rule
Exactly. The name terrorism say it all. People are terrorfied and accept government BS because it makes them feel safe.

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I think Dogs Rule asks the correct question, not twesterm.

@twesterm:
Opinions like yours make it easy for governments to reduce liberty bit by bit.

We live in the age of fear (governments) and disinterest (citizen).



okr said:
I think Dogs Rule asks the correct question, not twesterm.

@twesterm:
Opinions like yours make it easy for governments to reduce liberty bit by bit.

We live in the age of fear (governments) and disinterest (citizen).


 What liberty is being taken away? Does it really matter that someone is monitoring my phone calls? I promise you that don't care that you went out drinking last weekend and shoplifted a twinkie.

 

Mistershine said:
twesterm said:

Why do people care if your communication is logged?

Unless you actually have something to hide the person monitoring your whatever isn't going to care about the excessive amount of porn on your hard drive or you talking dirty to someone in an email.


It depends on the porn, and if ponies are involved I spose.

If it is put into action people should start using encryption on all communication wherever possible.



 Like I said, again, if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't care.

nordlead said:
@twestern, would you seriously give out credit card info, SSN, or any other sensitive info over the phone knowing it is going to be logged? Some people don't do any of that over the internet because of security concerns and for good reason. All they are doing is upping the amount of taxes people will need to pay, and adding another way for identity thieves to steal information.

 If it was just some random person, yes.  If it was some person who was monitored themselves then no.  

 

 



They need a court order to access the data...so if they are looking at the data then you are already in trouble.



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