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ok rocketpig.. please say you haven't played Xenogears, cause if you have and don't think the story is truly great.. then that would make me sad.. somehow.. :(



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Ajax said:
ok rocketpig.. please say you haven't played Xenogears, cause if you have and don't think the story is truly great.. then that would make me sad.. somehow.. :(

I honestly don't think Xeno is brilliant. Sorry. But, to add something, I'm an extremely hard sell on anything. I don't attack people for liking what they do; what I attack is the very nature of the industry. We're acting like children. We like things that are little better than children's stories and often lack the characterization of those legends.

Anyone who has actually met me or talked to me knows I love videogames as much as the most hardcore fanboy. What differentiates me from most is that I have lived through the many ages of gaming and I have yet to see it live along with me. I expect more from this media and Goddamn it, so should everyone else. I don't want every game to be an intellectual mindfuck, I just want the possibility for that mindfuck to coexist with the eye candy we currently enjoy and I want people to accept that eye candy for what it is and not present it as a Rembrandt. 




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ok now you're pushing it hooligan!



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Ajax said:
ok now you're pushing it hooligan!

Okay, I'll say it:

Xenogears sucks balls. Big, sweaty, hairy balls from a Jewish man straight out of a camp in 1945.

*runs, hides, and laughs hysterically* 




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rocketpig said:
windbane said:
Quickdraw McGraw said:
Ajax said:
Quickdraw McGraw said:
rocketpig said:

See above post. This isn't an attack on MGS but video games in general. 


Makes sense.

Comparing cinema, literature, or even select music (Although I'd give the game industry the edge to the current music industry) to videogames does seem silly.

For some reason cinema, and especially literature, is much better at creating a developed and believable atmosphere, despite the fact that you're actually immersed in that atmosphere when you play a videogame.
I'd say the biggest thing the other forms of media have over videogames is character development. For some reason characterization has been thrown out the window in videogames.


but there are also many things books and movies doesn't have, which video games do have.. and that's why we play them.. :P


 Well that's because videogames are the most fun, =P.

@ Windbane

Don't confuse my message, I actually enjoy Metal Gear Solid's plotline, as well as characters (Snake is actually one of the more fleshed-out characters in the videogame industry).

But don't disregard RocketPig's point, either. Because MGS does have faults in storytelling, and can't compare to top-tier movies or literature. Not saying we should be making a comparison, but some people do.


Yeah, I'm not saying it's Casablanca, which I love, btw, if you are just looking at story. It's not perfect. But if you are comparing the different mediums, MGS is one of the top games, and a lot of that has to do with its story. It just seems like rocketpig hates all videogame stories and will be upset any time anyone says they like a story in a game.


I admit that I have yet to see a great story in a vdieogame. What I've seen is a bunch of very good ones... Which shows the potential (yet mainly untapped) of the genre. Fallout, Grim Fandango, Deus Ex... All very good.

Part of my problem lies with people accepting mediocrity in gaming when there are so many brilliant works to draw from in other media... Take BioShock, for example. It tried to play up what it was and fell immensely short because I doubt anyone in Irrational took the time to understand why Objectivism was so fascinating and instead went for the cheap sci-fi tricks and insulted everyone who expected a real journey through Rapture (a brilliantly designed world, I might add). 


Alright, I think we're reaching a middle ground, heh. I will agree that people accept crappy stories in videogames, but story isn't always the focus of the game. I think some games have great stories, though. I still need to play Bioshock.



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Ok that's it!! I'm gonna track you down man, wherever you might be!! Some things you can say in life, but now you've just crossed the holy-line!! I better book a ticket to the US as soon as possible.. I finally have a goal in my life again: put Xenogears-haters out of their misery! Mmwhahahaha



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rocketpig said:
Ajax said:
ok now you're pushing it hooligan!

Okay, I'll say it:

Xenogears sucks balls. Big, sweaty, hairy balls from a Jewish man straight out of a camp in 1945.

*runs, hides, and laughs hysterically* 


I have not played that game, but instead of comparing it to great literature, why not compare it to anime stories? DBZ isn't emmy-worthy but it's still entertaining. Of course, that's a bad example because the story is basically the same throughout the series, heh.



Oh my god, another ignorant mortal!!



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But for you there is still hope though windbane: play the game, and ''you shall be as gods''!



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@windbane:

I won't compare videogames to anime because there's so much more potential in the medium than that. Most of the best anime pales in comparison to the best cinema from America, France, Britain, India, etc. But that's not even the point. Games are not movies. Let's not try to make them into movies but instead, challenge the way we look at media itself.

My entire point is that we should expect more from this medium yet we are continually fed bullshit and take it with a smile. It's high time we actually asked for more from videogames to meet the rest of media.




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