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if so rocketpig, then that's more a thing of the fans you could say, rather than it being an image Konami wants to give to the series, or do you also blame Konami for thinking their plot is greater than it is? but I know it's hard to say how Kojima and Konami really think about the plot of their series in terms of depth and greatness..



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Why would you consider a 92% score bad?

@Imperial, so the game deserves a 100% rating you say, without even playing it before. Also since when is a reviewer considered hater and baher of a console when it rates the game 92%.

Im seriously surprised by some users, you expect every game to hit your platform to get a 100%, if it gets a 99% or lower then, fuck they are the worst site and hate the game and the console.

The game will get really good scores, just like this one, but dont pretend it to be perfect... you saw what GTA4 did some weeks ago.



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windbane said:

There's a reason so many people like the story. No other videogame series is like it. It's both serious and shallow. Most dramas are. Every Metal Gear thread is filled with your hatred over the story. We get it. You don't think it's an oscar script. Ok. Lots of people like it. It's really good for what it does.


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windbane said:
rocketpig said:
HappySqurriel said:
Ajax said:
ey rocketpig, aren't you getting a little too harsh on Metal Gears plot now? It might have it's short commings, but give it a brake dude.. cause it's also not like the genre and setting allow for Xenogears like stuff you know.. and Konami does really try to make the best of it. And it still is better than plots of many comparable games, for as far as you can compare games to Metal Gear.

RocketPig's tone may be a little harsh, but I wouldn't say that it is entirely unjustified ...

I'm of the opinion that fairness in most critiques comes from considering what something is as well as what it is trying to be; in this way you don't (necessarily) hold a Startrek episode up to the same level as you would a very serious award winning dramatic movie.

If people want to hold Metal Gear Solid up to even the standard of bad literature it deserves the harsh critique that RocketPig has provided; if you want to hold it up to good literature you should be laughed at.

If Metal Gear didn't try to be a deep, engrossing storyline and admitted its schlocky nature and embraced it, I would be all over the game in a Starship Troopers sort of way.

The problem is that it's taken as a serious piece of art and held up as such by both critics and fanboys. And for that, it deserves every bit of spittle-fueled malice I can throw in its direction. 


There's a reason so many people like the story. No other videogame series is like it. It's both serious and shallow. Most dramas are. Every Metal Gear thread is filled with your hatred over the story. We get it. You don't think it's an oscar script. Ok. Lots of people like it. It's really good for what it does.


Lots of movies are loved for their cheesy nature. If people would just admit that the MGS story is cheesy and rather badly told, I would go away and you wouldn't see me talking shit on the game so damned often.

The problem is that people aren't saying that. I keep hearing people try to say that MGS is somehow enlightening or brilliant in a thought-provoking sort of way... I have one thing to say about that. Read a few fucking books written before the 19th century, watch the AFI top 100, and then get back to me. Then try to tell me how brilliant the game really is.

I have absolutely no problem with people liking the game if they accept it for what it is. God knows we all like a little cheese with our wine. What I don't like is people trying to play up kitsch as fine art.




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Words Of Wisdom said:
windbane said:

There's a reason so many people like the story. No other videogame series is like it. It's both serious and shallow. Most dramas are. Every Metal Gear thread is filled with your hatred over the story. We get it. You don't think it's an oscar script. Ok. Lots of people like it. It's really good for what it does.


If popularity indicates quality then cow dung must be the most delicious stuff on Earth.  50 billion flies can't be wrong!


no, if you want to involve cow dung and flies in this, and make a honest comparison, then you should say that a fly will tell some other fly who doesn't like cow dung ''dude, 50 billion other flies like this shit, so there must be a reason they like it'', and if you make the comparison this way, the only proper way you can actually make it, windbane point gets more proven than unproven.. :P.. but of course, popularity doesn't always reflect quality.. but you should make a point why in this particular , populairty doesn't equal quality..



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Ajax said:
if so rocketpig, then that's more a thing of the fans you could say, rather than it being an image Konami wants to give to the series, or do you also blame Konami for thinking their plot is greater than it is? but I know it's hard to say how Kojima and Konami really think about the plot of their series in terms of depth and greatness..

If Kojima is simply playing a prank on millions of fanboys out there, my opinion of him just flew through the roof. 




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rocketpig said:
Ajax said:
if so rocketpig, then that's more a thing of the fans you could say, rather than it being an image Konami wants to give to the series, or do you also blame Konami for thinking their plot is greater than it is? but I know it's hard to say how Kojima and Konami really think about the plot of their series in terms of depth and greatness..

If Kojima is simply playing a prank on millions of fanboys out there, my opinion of him just flew through the roof. 


well at least it would fly through the roof, and not out of the window.. :P



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Ajax said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
windbane said:

There's a reason so many people like the story. No other videogame series is like it. It's both serious and shallow. Most dramas are. Every Metal Gear thread is filled with your hatred over the story. We get it. You don't think it's an oscar script. Ok. Lots of people like it. It's really good for what it does.


If popularity indicates quality then cow dung must be the most delicious stuff on Earth.  50 billion flies can't be wrong!


no, if you want to involve cow dung and flies in this, and make a honest comparison, then you should say that a fly will tell some other fly who doesn't like cow dung ''dude, 50 billion other flies like this shit, so there must be a reason they like it'', and if you make the comparison this way, the only proper way you can actually make it, windbane point gets more proven than unproven.. :P.. but of course, popularity doesn't always reflect quality.. but you should make a point why in this particular , populairty doesn't equal quality..


My point is there is a reason that the story elements are often praised. And yes, if 50 billion flies like dung, that kinda shows that the dung is good for flies. MGS is good for a story-based videogame that has great gameplay, too.



rocketpig said:

I have absolutely no problem with people liking the game if they accept it for what it is. God knows we all like a little cheese with our wine. What I don't like is people trying to play up kitsch as fine art.


One order of cheese please, hold the whine.


Seriously, this is one of the reasons I loved the Skies of Arcadia storyline.  I didn't expect it to be anything more than it was.  It was a colorful adventure with air pirates.  That was what I expected and that was what I got.  The biggest treat was that the main character was neither emo nor angsty nor stupid.  I'd almost forgotten what it was like to play a competent main character in an RPG.



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