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@ TheRealMafoo

Actually he IS arguing games, and that's the horrible part. "PC has control of every genre of gaming there is" "Console games just don't stack up" Mario/M.Kart/Smash/Zelda/etc. say hi. If it wasn't for the 360 controller being usable on PCs I'd go after him on platformer controls, too.



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Final-Fan said:
@ TheRealMafoo 

Actually he IS arguing games, and that's the horrible part. "PC has control of every genre of gaming there is" "Console games just don't stack up" Mario/GTA/Zelda/etc. say hi. If it wasn't for the 360 controller being usable on PCs I'd go after him on platformer controls, too.

 actually platformer controls are better with a mouse and keyboard.



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Final-Fan said:
@ TheRealMafoo 

Actually he IS arguing games, and that's the horrible part. "PC has control of every genre of gaming there is" "Console games just don't stack up" Mario/GTA/Zelda/etc. say hi. If it wasn't for the 360 controller being usable on PCs I'd go after him on platformer controls, too.

 Ahh, then he is just wrong. Everyone has the right to be wrong :)



TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
naznatips said:
I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform.

SSJ12 said:

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.


Those two statements are not the same. I agree with Naz. I disagree with SSJ12. So does he, or he never would have bought a PS3 game. He would have opted for the PC superior equivalent if one existed.
What am I not allowed to own consoles? PC gaming is better all around, but I will play console games sometimes. I have owned 90% every console ever made.
The thing is this: your sig states that PC is ALWAYS better -- that there is no area of gaming that consoles have the advantage in. That is, ah, not true. Is that not the intended meaning of your statement?

PC has control of every genre of gaming there is, including non-games. This does not mean there isn't games on consoles that are entertaining. It's mainly that there are variations of the genres that are entertaining to play on both sides of the fence. That does not mean consoles provide a better experience, just that the games there are entertaining. So PC gaming always being better is true, it just doesn't mean good games aren't on consoles. Console games just don't stack up to what PC has to offer.


This is the issue at hand. You are arguing hardware, and we are arguing games.

Yes, the PC on every front has the most potential for the best games. Other then the PS3's ability to do a specific type of math, the PC outclasses every console (including the PS3), at everything. No one is questioning that.

But "gaming" is not all about hardware, it's about the games, and some of the best games can only be played on consoles.

To magnify my point, the best hardware for gaming, is probably IBM's BlueGene/L. It's the fastest computer in the world, with stats like 73,000 gigs of ram, and 478 tflops. What could be done on that computer is unimaginable if you put the best gaming shops to work on it. But if I wanted to play games, I would get a better gaming experience out of a PS2, as there are more entertaining games that play on it. (there are none to speak of on the BGL).

If you want to play a violent sandbox game like GTA4, and want to play the best one in the world, you can't do it on a PC.

Wrong, PC had more great Violent Sandbox games than any console in recent times: Crysis and STALKER. By the way, GTA4 will come out on PC this year, no doubt. STALKER: Clear Sky is also coming this year on PC.

If you want to play the best platform game in the world, you can't do it on a PC.

True, 3D Platformers are unexistant on PC, though PC has ALOT of good 2D platformers. 

If you want to play the best stealth combat game, my guess is when MGS4 comes out, you won't be able to do it on a PC.

MGS never had the best stealth combat: that is reserved for Thief series (namely Thief 1 and 2, which are PC exclusives). Hell, even Crysis is an amazing game to play as stealth and better than all MGS I've played. 

It's not about hardware. I don't play the PC, the 360, the PS3, or the Wii. I play Crysis, Lost Odyssey, Ratchet and Clank, or Super Mario Galaxy.


 



ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
@ TheRealMafoo

Actually he IS arguing games, and that's the horrible part. "PC has control of every genre of gaming there is" "Console games just don't stack up" Mario/GTA/Zelda/etc. say hi. If it wasn't for the 360 controller being usable on PCs I'd go after him on platformer controls, too.
actually platformer controls are better with a mouse and keyboard.
Oh, it's on.

But first:  "GTA4 will be on PC by the end of the year and be fully modible."  Who says?!  Rumors on this subject are inevitable; we're still waiting for that that FF7 remake so don't even go there.

Now, for platforming:  are you serious??  What 3D platformers have you done on PC with mouse/KB that were better than Mario controls?  Can you get another person like perhaps naznatips to back you up here?  I admit I have no experience to back me up but I have a really hard time believing this one; logically it seems to me that the thumbstick would give much better maneuvering in third person.  Analog movement in any direction or sensitivity, how do you beat it?  Can you point me to a freeware game that I can try out and experience this myself??

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Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
@ TheRealMafoo

Actually he IS arguing games, and that's the horrible part. "PC has control of every genre of gaming there is" "Console games just don't stack up" Mario/GTA/Zelda/etc. say hi. If it wasn't for the 360 controller being usable on PCs I'd go after him on platformer controls, too.
actually platformer controls are better with a mouse and keyboard.
Oh, it's on.

But first: ""GTA4 will be on PC by the end of the year and be fully modible." Who says?! Rumors on this subject are inevitable; we're still waiting for that that FF7 remake so don't even go there.

Now, for platforming: are you serious?? What 3D platformers have you done on PC with mouse/KB that were better than Mario controls? Can you get another person like perhaps naznatips to back you up here? I admit I have no experience to back me up but I have a really hard time believing this one; logically it seems to me that the thumbstick would give much better maneuvering in third person. Analog movement in any direction instantly, how do you beat it? Can you point me to a freeware game that I can try out and experience this myself??


There have been heavy rumors of the PC version coming out in October for quite a while, and there was a website that supposedly leaked the GTA4 cover of the PC version.

Keyboard+Mouse can fully emulate and improve almost any scheme from consoles. Mario Galaxy's control scheme is incredibly easy to translate on Kb+M, and even improve the controls. You can't make a speedy full rotation on SMG with the Wiimote, but you could easily do it with a mouse.

Just check World of Warcraft's mouse and camera control to understand what I mean.



I don't have World of Warcraft and the play style is very different. Platforming can call for serious acrobatics, and I don't know how well KBM can do it. How well can you make Mario run in a circle? Can you tell me where I can experience what you describe for free?

As for GTAIV:  reputable rumors or forum scuttlebutt? 



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Final-Fan said:
I don't have World of Warcraft and the play style is very different. Platforming can call for serious acrobatics, and I don't know how well KBM can do it. How well can you make Mario run in a circle? Can you tell me where I can experience what you describe for free?

As for GTAIV:  reputable rumors or forum scuttlebutt? 

 I'll have to hunt you down a free PC 3D platformer. But for now I'm pretty sure pointing to the PC version of Phyconauts and Rayman will fit nicely for platformers. And Prince of Persia since it is partically a platforme, same with Assassin's Creed.

 

As for 2D platformers that wont grace consoles ever, jump onto steam and download the free demo of Gish.  

 

Still platformerson both consoles and PC are hard to come by these days. Past mario there isnt much.



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ssj12 said:

 actually platformer controls are better with a mouse and keyboard.

That's funny. Your funny. I like you. HAHAHA

I just wonder why most commercial/big PC games are on console and not vice versa. Hmm..



Foshoryuken said:
ssj12 said:

 actually platformer controls are better with a mouse and keyboard.

That's funny. Your funny. I like you. HAHAHA

I just wonder why most commercial/big PC games are on console and not vice versa. Hmm..


 is that why there are some massive titles being release PC exclusive?



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