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even ioi does not think those numbers make since



Good point FishyJoe... However, if NPD is right, I will be looking for signs of USA's weakening economy affecting the video games market.

Halo 3 boosted console sales, I find it very strange that GTA4 didn't have a bigger impact.



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FishyJoe said:

Feb NPD

  1. Ps2 351.8K 88/wk
  2. Ps3 280.8K 71/wk
  3. Psp 243.1K 61/wk
  4. 360 254.6K 64/wk
  5. NDS 587.6K 147/wk
  6. Wii 432K 108/wk

Take a look at March sales:

  1. Wii - 721k, 144k/wk (33% increase)
  2. DS - 698k, 140/wk
  3. PSP - 297k, 59k/wk
  4. X360 - 262k, 52k/wk (19% drop)
  5. PS3 - 257k, 51k/wk (28% drop)
  6. PS2 - 216k, 43k/wk (51% drop)

Now April:

  1. Wii - 714k, 178k/wk (+24%)
  2. DS - 415k, 104k/wk (-26%)
  3. PSP - 193k, 48k/wk (-19%)
  4. X360 - 188k, 47k/wk (-10%)
  5. PS3 - 187k, 47k/wk (-8%)
  6. PS2 - 124k, 31k/wk (-28%)

Notice that the DS, PSP and PS2 suffered huge declines? The PS3/360 sales declines are much less than the weekly declines of the DS/PSP/PS2. That means the PS3/360 outperformed them for April by a fairly significant margin.

What would cause this outperformance of the DS/PSP/PS2? It has to be GTAIV, so yes indeed sales were improved over what could have been an otherwise dreadful month.


Notice how the Ps2 suffered a huge decline? the Ps3/360 declines are much less. That means the Ps3 and 360 just cant be compared to different platforms. Your logic fails.

FishyJoe read FishyJoes sig

Using March and Aprils NPD numbers and not going back more is called cherry picking



Munkeh111 said:
So are numbers going to be chance, because ioi sometimes does, but sometimes doesn't. Has he said what he is going to do this time?

 He'll likely wait till NPD June.  To see if somehow PS3's and 360's magically move in may.  In others NPD screwed up and offer a "correction" in fudging future numbers like Famitsu and Mediacrate are known to do.



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I expected higher HW sales due to GTAIV on both consoles but i didnt expect it too be a massive system seller, even though it is a game that will sell 10million+ it wont shift that many consoles because CASUALS that will play this game for fun and not for the story will buy a console for Madden and ProEvo and might pick up CoD4 due to hype and nothing more.

MGS4 hasnt been known to be a console seller either so saying that Sony is in trouble in June if they don't sell alot of consoles with MGS4 releasing isnt quiet true. I think Sony is in abit of trouble if LittleBigPlanet doesnt shift many consoles because that is a casual game with a lot hype and probably more to come.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

PooperScooper said:

FishyJoe said:

Feb NPD

  1. Ps2 351.8K 88/wk
  2. Ps3 280.8K 71/wk
  3. Psp 243.1K 61/wk
  4. 360 254.6K 64/wk
  5. NDS 587.6K 147/wk
  6. Wii 432K 108/wk

Take a look at March sales:

  1. Wii - 721k, 144k/wk (33% increase)
  2. DS - 698k, 140/wk
  3. PSP - 297k, 59k/wk
  4. X360 - 262k, 52k/wk (19% drop)
  5. PS3 - 257k, 51k/wk (28% drop)
  6. PS2 - 216k, 43k/wk (51% drop)

Now April:

  1. Wii - 714k, 178k/wk (+24%)
  2. DS - 415k, 104k/wk (-26%)
  3. PSP - 193k, 48k/wk (-19%)
  4. X360 - 188k, 47k/wk (-10%)
  5. PS3 - 187k, 47k/wk (-8%)
  6. PS2 - 124k, 31k/wk (-28%)

Notice that the DS, PSP and PS2 suffered huge declines? The PS3/360 sales declines are much less than the weekly declines of the DS/PSP/PS2. That means the PS3/360 outperformed them for April by a fairly significant margin.

What would cause this outperformance of the DS/PSP/PS2? It has to be GTAIV, so yes indeed sales were improved over what could have been an otherwise dreadful month.


Notice how the Ps2 suffered a huge decline? the Ps3/360 declines are much less. That means the Ps3 and 360 just cant be compared to different platforms. Your logic fails.

FishyJoe read FishyJoes sig

Using March and Aprils NPD numbers and not going back more is called cherry picking


 I don't really see how you proved him wrong. Wii's weekly sales increased 2 months in a row, and PS3/PS3/360's weekly sales decreased 2 months in a row.

FishyJoe's original point was that the PS360 didn't decrease as bad as the PS2, due to GTA4.  All you proved is that every console is declining but the Wii.  This is the natural February-March-April slump, and GTA4 barely had any effect on it, but it DID soften the blow to PS360 and didn't soften the blow to PS2.

Basically, everything flops during this period except for the Wii because it's magical, and the PS2 flops super hard because it's getting old and didn't get GTA4.

 



The Ghost of RubangB said:

 I don't really see how you proved him wrong. Wii's weekly sales increased 2 months in a row, and PS3/PS3/360's weekly sales decreased 2 months in a row.

FishyJoe's original point was that the PS360 didn't decrease as bad as the PS2, due to GTA4.  All you proved is that every console is declining but the Wii.  This is the natural February-March-April slump, and GTA4 barely had any effect on it, but it DID soften the blow to PS360 and didn't soften the blow to PS2.

Basically, everything flops during this period except for the Wii because it's magical, and the PS2 flops super hard because it's getting old and didn't get GTA4.

 


Fishyjoe says because it didn't drop as much it means GTA4 help out the consoles. You can't take 2 different consoles decrease and compare them the way he did. There are reasons these items decreased at different rates than Ps2

The biggest of the reasons would be Ps2 is old. Ps3 and 360 would stabilize higher and faster.



Well DS/PS2/PSP dropped at one rate, and PS3/360 dropped at another. DS is unstoppable, and it still felt the slump. The differences are either GTA4 or just.... HD. Apparently neither are good enough for these months. I still don't think you proved him wrong.



Psp - received a HW boost for march because of FF:CC. That explains that drop. If someone thinks that the PSP woulda sold the same amount in April with NO release to help it after following its biggest game in its lifetime is delusional.

Edit: PSP also had GoW:CoO and Patapon in march too. So PSP had a strong March and nothing in April decreases was obviously going to appear.

DS - When you have higher sales you have higher decreases.... that explains that one....

Ps2 - Sales obviously haven't stabilized and are still decreasing. 2 giant drops month after month shows that. I also foresee it suffering another drop this month.