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That explains the phenomenon pretty well. Developers look at socially-oriented downmarket games being released by Nintendo, see them as casual games, and make what they think "casual games" are. This viewpoint is based off of surface-level observation, however; they don't understand the difference between their failing "casual" games and Nintendo's socially-oriented downmarket games: that Nintendo's actually appeals to a real demographic of underserved gamers who want something fast, fun, and friendly, while their games are pale imitations of this. End result: the ever-so-notorious "shovelware" people go on about endlessly here at VG Chartz.

OK, so whats the games in PSX during its launch then when 3rd party developers dont know what games they'll put on the system since they dont know how to make a game on 3-d yet?

And aboout third party support, if third parties now learn their lessons not ditching the Wii, when will the real quality third party games come?

Look to the DS for that answer, yushire. The initial DS offerings were largely along the same lines as the initial Wii offerings have been: a bunch of great Nintendo games, a handful of good third-party games, and a lot of games that nobody wanted. That changed as developers learned to use the DS stylus controls in new and innovative ways, and (in the case of more traditional games) learned to not let the stylus be a mandatory element when it made no sense.

The Wii will reach those stages too. The "old-gen" developers who cannot adapt to the Wii's new controls will find ways to use its non-motion-control ones. You'll probably see a lot of those developers adding Classic Controller and GameCube controller support. The "new-gen" developers will get their bearings on how the Wiimote really works, and start putting out games that will even make Nintendo marvel at the innovative use. As ever, things don't just happen. It will take some time yet for these changes to come about.

Here's an interesting extract I was just linked to from an interview with one of the LostWinds developers:

http://gonintendo.com/?p=43317

It's quite relevant, actually, to why traditional third parties aren't investing in dynamic and innovative Wii titles thus far. The fear of what it could cost them if it failed is what holds them back. And WiiWare is perhaps the best solution for them to test the waters and find out what will and will not do well on the system without investing in a huge-budget title that might ultimately flop.

Though I do find it interesting that they lack these concerns when making 360 and PS3 games... Perhaps they simply assume that, since the old method of making games has worked for so long, it will continue to work indefinitely...

I'm not sure I understand your first question, but here goes ...

Now we all know that the original Playstation and Sega Saturn struggled durring their first year being outsold (by a wide margin) by the Super Nintendo; it was in its second year that Sony really started to see good sales because of a massive influx of third party support (after Nintendo alienated third party publishers) that the Playstation started to take off.

As for your second question ... We have been seeing a steady increase in the quantity and quality of third party games on the Wii since it has been released; I suspect that we will hit a watershed moment at E3 and TGS when third party publishers unveil their efforts for the Wii that began after it launched and will be released for Q3 or 2008 through Q2 of 2009. You can hold me to this prediction on your favourite crow eating thread ...

Im posting on what chadius post last night, thus the first question:

Basically every platformer after SM64 superficially copied it. Most platformers dropped you off in a hub, unlocked the first world and said "get 6 (completiion items) to unlock the next world." Just like SM64. The big difference, of course, is that SM64 did it already.

And about the DS, so how many years before the DS have quality games on the system then? Just to compare it for the Wii.

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 The DS' breakout year was really 2006. Prior to that, most of the games put on it were either ports or half-arsed attempts to do something with the stylus (but usually done poorly; a lot of them required use of all face buttons AND the stylus at the same time). I can't cite any specific games, unfortunately, but a quick look at the top 50 charts for 2005 vs. 2006 show that was when the DS software really took off. The end-result software sales for 2005 for DS: 29,666,698 for the year (32,970,196 total). 2006: 72,299,762 for the year (105,269,958 total).

 Temporally speaking, that would make 2008 (yes, this year) the Wii's equivalent year.  Meaning it's reasonable to expect that the Wii will start to get those much-anticipated yet elusive "real games" that many are complaining the Wii currently lacks some time in the next 6 months.

^ Do you mean that DS really took off 2 years after its launch? Is the launch of DS same as the Wii when casuals constantly buying it just to play Nintendogs and such?