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Red*Pokemon*Trainer on 11 May 2008
SuperLloyd said:
Red*Pokemon*Trainer said:
@SuperLloyd-

Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy V 13
Gran Turismo 5
Metal Gear Solid 4
White Knight Chronicles
Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm
Dragon Ball Z-Burst Limit
Tales of Vesperia
Tekken 6
Eternal Sonnata
Last Remnant
Resident Evil 5

All of these and plenty more are Japanese oriented games that Japananse gamers are waiting for inorder make that transition towards the PS3 whether big or small an of impact these are the games that sell in Japan but there has to be enough of these games for example the main reason last year not to own a PS3 was the lack of quality and well known games,same for Japan they usually gravitate toward good games look at Monster Hunter 2 and what it did for the PSP. Inorder to better understand the situation;look at the current lineup of games for the PS3 and you will notice that most of all the games are good but targeted toward a western market[Uncharted,Ratchet,COD,Heavenly Sword,etc]with DMC being the one japanese oriented game that sells well in Japan and is good.Saying that people will only buy a wii because its a one console territory is not logical reason and is just blowing off the PS3 for no logical reason when consumers usually follow the games not the trends no matter how true this trend was last gen.

Which brings up my next point,the PS2 was successful in Japan because of the array of games it offered,a collection unmatched by Nintendo last gen or this gen.While Nintendo continues to dominate a market with no competition[software] as of yet,it remains to be seen whether or not this trend will continue and whether or not the PS3 has a chance overthrow the wii.

Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII are one in the same. FF13 will move consoles but an FF spinoff is going to have little impact in the face of the leading title and will sell less.

Gran Turismo 5 will move some hardware but this is really a franchise that benefits from a larger userbase. The same applies to Metal Gear.

Naruto and Dragonball Z? Oh my.  Considering that this is the first time I've seen anyone claim that these properties were going to 'save' the PS3 in Japan I'm simply going to say that it's safe to assume that they won't. The PS3 must be really in a rut there if it's relying on licensed anime games to move hardware.

Tales of Vesperia - 360 games are supposed to sell PS3's now?

Tekken, really?

Eternal Sonata isn't a big property, it's a new IP. Everyone that wanted it already got it. White Knight Chronicles is in a similar new IP situation. Considering the original Dark Cloud bombed in Japan, I don't really know why everyone is so sure that Level 5 can move gangbusters in a similar position. Actually, this applies to The Last Remnant too.

Resident Evil's selling power has been greatly dimished in Japan over the years. Possibly because Capcom couldn't choose one platform to stick to.

 

Japan being a one console market is perfectly logical because it's factual. There will be no turnaround. Naruto is not going to save the day. You can deny this all you want, but sales paint a different story. Japanese gamers have never "waited" to make a transition, this is going under the assumption that they are brainless brand puppets, which they are not. This isn't going to change anytime.


First off Final Fantasy 13 and Versus 13 are two entirely diffrent games with no relation to each others story,Final Fantasy 13 is developed by the FFX team and Versus 13 is developed by the KH and Advent children's team and both will be of the same quality with FF13 coming out first and Versus 13 later which would benefit sales for both games.Gran Turismo 5 and MGS 4 will move hardware period a large userbase has nothing to do with moving hardware especially when GT5 will sell truckloads if Prologue is any indication. The other games on the list Naruto,Tekken,TOV(timed 360 exclusive),Resident Evil,WKC,DBZ,ES,are games that are appealing and generally sell better than the western oriented games that the PS3 offers now which is why the system wouldn't be as appealing to the Japanese consumer.Im not saying any one title would push heaps of PS3's but that the fact that their is an abundance of these games is what will push heaps of PS3's like i said before the main reason not to own a PS3 last year was the lack of appealing games but look at how well its doing now this year with appealing games. How is Japan a one console only region fact? because of the PS2? I gave reasons why the PS2 was successful and the fact is...that Nintendo cant compete with Sony in bringing alot of Quality games to its platforms so in sense that would make the Japanese consumers "brainless brand puppets" for buying wii's despite the PS3's better libary of games right? consumers follow games not trends which is the main reason the Playstation brand has been so successful all these years.

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Gnizmo on 11 May 2008
Red*Pokemon*Trainer said:

 

Thats probably because the PS2 was the only platform available.

So in this version of history the Dreamcast never existed?



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Gnizmo on 11 May 2008
Red*Pokemon*Trainer said:
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First off Final Fantasy 13 and Versus 13 are two entirely diffrent games with no relation to each others story,Final Fantasy 13 is developed by the FFX team and Versus 13 is developed by the KH and Advent children's team and both will be of the same quality with FF13 coming out first and Versus 13 later which would benefit sales for both games.Gran Turismo 5 and MGS 4 will move hardware period a large userbase has nothing to do with moving hardware especially when GT5 will sell truckloads if Prologue is any indication. The other games on the list Naruto,Tekken,TOV(timed 360 exclusive),Resident Evil,WKC,DBZ,ES,are games that are appealing and generally sell better than the western oriented games that the PS3 offers now which is why the system wouldn't be as appealing to the Japanese consumer.Im not saying any one title would push heaps of PS3's but that the fact that their is an abundance of these games is what will push heaps of PS3's like i said before the main reason not to own a PS3 last year was the lack of appealing games but look at how well its doing now this year with appealing games. How is Japan a one console only region fact? because of the PS2? I gave reasons why the PS2 was successful and the fact is...that Nintendo cant compete with Sony in bringing alot of Quality games to its platforms so in sense that would make the Japanese consumers "brainless brand puppets" for buying wii's despite the PS3's better libary of games right? consumers follow games not trends which is the main reason the Playstation brand has been so successful all these years.

How many of those titles will be, or have been released on the 360? How big of an impact have all the Japan oriented games had on 360 sales? You are over simplifying, and ignoring the fact that Nintendo is also bringing out a ton of Japan oriented titles. So far it seems they are the best in picking out what will, or won't be successful in that market.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 11 May 2008
Godot said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
It's certainly not unchanged, but I too wish sony fanboys would move on, and stop denying that the PS3 still has a good chance of winning this console cycle. I don't think it does. I think it has a better chance of winning in Japan than winning worldwide if that is any indication of the chance I give the PS3 of beating the Wii.

I think the opposite. I think Sony has more chances of winning NA than Japan. Japan has always be a single console country.


Point is, PS3 isn't gonna beat the Wii, with a great amount of certainty.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI on 11 May 2008
CrazzyMan said:
Well, it`s too early to make conclusions.
If ps3 will stay above 300k weekly, then GTA4 did good job. =))
And Wii outsold ps3/x360 only thnx to big shipments in USA and earlier shortages with new game release this week.
Soon, probably this summer, Wii sales will go down, unless Nintendo show something great on E3.
Anyway, tiem will show, it will be interesting to see what nintendo fans will say when such time will come(probably the end of summer). =))

It could have had absolutely nothing to do with the demand for the Wii being so high that it could outsell the PS3's weekly figures in a single day if it shipped enough units.

 

You know what, you just predicted that "Wii sales will go down" and when that happens you can't wait to rub it in the face of Nintendo fans.

 

Posts like that that make you famous on this forum, however, you also marginalize your opinions because you are such a raving, hating, fanboy, than the only thing people care about is you being proved wrong once again so they can laugh in your face about it.

 

The best you can ever hope for is to be banned when your predictions are wrong, so you have an excuse not to respond.

 

...like we'd forget when you came back.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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Red*Pokemon*Trainer on 11 May 2008
Gnizmo said:
Red*Pokemon*Trainer said:
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First off Final Fantasy 13 and Versus 13 are two entirely diffrent games with no relation to each others story,Final Fantasy 13 is developed by the FFX team and Versus 13 is developed by the KH and Advent children's team and both will be of the same quality with FF13 coming out first and Versus 13 later which would benefit sales for both games.Gran Turismo 5 and MGS 4 will move hardware period a large userbase has nothing to do with moving hardware especially when GT5 will sell truckloads if Prologue is any indication. The other games on the list Naruto,Tekken,TOV(timed 360 exclusive),Resident Evil,WKC,DBZ,ES,are games that are appealing and generally sell better than the western oriented games that the PS3 offers now which is why the system wouldn't be as appealing to the Japanese consumer.Im not saying any one title would push heaps of PS3's but that the fact that their is an abundance of these games is what will push heaps of PS3's like i said before the main reason not to own a PS3 last year was the lack of appealing games but look at how well its doing now this year with appealing games. How is Japan a one console only region fact? because of the PS2? I gave reasons why the PS2 was successful and the fact is...that Nintendo cant compete with Sony in bringing alot of Quality games to its platforms so in sense that would make the Japanese consumers "brainless brand puppets" for buying wii's despite the PS3's better libary of games right? consumers follow games not trends which is the main reason the Playstation brand has been so successful all these years.

How many of those titles will be, or have been released on the 360? How big of an impact have all the Japan oriented games had on 360 sales? You are over simplifying, and ignoring the fact that Nintendo is also bringing out a ton of Japan oriented titles. So far it seems they are the best in picking out what will, or won't be successful in that market.


The 360 is irrelevant in Japan so the PS3 would benefit more from those sales.I never said Nintendo isn't bringing out Japanese oriented and appealing games i said that they cant compete with Playstation,the amount of appealing games and diversification of those games which the Playstation brand is famous for.

Red*Pokemon*Trainer on 11 May 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Godot said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
It's certainly not unchanged, but I too wish sony fanboys would move on, and stop denying that the PS3 still has a good chance of winning this console cycle. I don't think it does. I think it has a better chance of winning in Japan than winning worldwide if that is any indication of the chance I give the PS3 of beating the Wii.

I think the opposite. I think Sony has more chances of winning NA than Japan. Japan has always be a single console country.


Point is, PS3 isn't gonna beat the Wii, with a great amount of certainty.


You must have that flux capacitor the DOC was rambling about to be so sure eh?

Gnizmo on 11 May 2008
Red*Pokemon*Trainer said:

 


 

The 360 is irrelevant in Japan so the PS3 would benefit more from those sales.I never said Nintendo isn't bringing out Japanese oriented and appealing games i said that they cant compete with Playstation,the amount of appealing games and diversification of those games which the Playstation brand is famous for.

Let me ask the question again and hopefully you will actually answer it. How much did all the Japan oriented games help the 360 in Japan? Saying the 360 is irrelevant is not an answer you want to go with. If the 360 is irrelevant and no one in Japan cares for it then how will the PS3 be different? If it is based on brand name alone, then Nintendo, and the Wii have a sizeable advantage in that regard. The large diverse line-up of Playstation 2 games that will save the PS3 in Japan are down to GT5 and FF13. Nothing else is remotely large enough to push the 3 million plus consoles needed to start to close the gap between the two.



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