who says if ps3 doesnt make it to 120 that those sales went to the 360 and not wii...

Now thats a bit unfair.

This is a response to a thread in which a largish group of people decried the downfall of the Xbox 360.  At no point in my response did I say anything bad about the PS3's future prospects, only that the Xbox 360 would be successful as it will continue to steal some of the PS2 userbase.

I am confident consoles can be successful without selling the numbers the PS2 did, otherwise I would have no faith in any console other than the Wii. 

WRONG! Just because they bought an Xbox360 during GTAIV launch does not mean they won't buy a PS3 later. Sony has not lost any of its customers just yet to Microsoft, i'll agree that Sony lost its base to Nintendo though. For all you know, those 100k people who bought an xbox360 were possibly xbox owners? Just remember that all 3 GTA did make it to the xbox as well, so its not just a SONY game ok. Sure it lost some, but to claim all 100k or even the majority of them were PS2 people is just a major assumption, that to me, means nothing!

got to go now, getting yelled at here lol

nothing to see here just the typical starcraft trying to spin unfavorable numbers for the 360 move on folks.

@ ssj

ok we will say the ps3 probably out sells the 360 on average 70,000 a week, it has a current difference of 6.4 million to make up, now i will do a little maths... and we have 91 weeks, now in that time the 360 will continue to sell which will mean it will actually take more weeks, so were looking at a little over 100 weeks which is 2 years, Now to factor in things such as christmas and what not (which is unknown teritory, any one could come out on top) I couldnt see the ps3 selling 3 million more then the xbox in that christmas time frame so its safe to say its going to be at least a year+ before the ps3 comes close to over taking it. this time next year or christmas of next year, thats what I think (if it maintaines its current lead in sales 

you might look at it different but thats how I see it, So if you have another equation to work it out let me know man cos i dont mind being proven wrong, I like the cold hard facts and numbers

Take it how you will Starcraft, unfair or no. But you must admit that what you did was not simply try and show reasons that 360 was nowhere near death, but instead you started in talking about what a bad week it was for Sony. You could have gone a much more simple route and just show that the 360 is selling more than it did last year so obviously it is not even on a down trend yet, let alone a downward spiral of doom. Heck this didn't even need to be it's own thread, the previous thread was a silly one that made huge assumptions about the future of the 360, just like yours makes huge assumptions about the previous console ownership of the people that bought the 360 and Wii this week. Fight fire with fire I suppose, but in my mind both threads are just as ridiculous and pointless.

 You have to remember that the console market has been expanded. There are a ton of people that haven't owned a console since the NES. Mainly that crowd is playing a Wii but there are plenty of new gamers that bought a PS3 as well as a 360.

The 360 has very little that will attract PS2 owners to the PS3. Most PS2 owners now a days are buying the PS2 and Wii because they are cheap and casual consoles. The PS3 has more casual games coming to it and already on the console. Singstar and Buzz istwo of the titles.

Most PS2 owners will jump ship to whatever console they feel a console fits their wants and price range. 

There are a ton of SOCOM players that will jump to the PS3 in November and back 2 years ago SOCOM 3 had more players then Halo 2 online so figure how many people will be jumping ship.

I see starcraft's main argument as a complete failure of logic.

The PS2 had the vast majority of last gen's sales, so most of the millions the 360 will sell beyond the original Xbox are taken from that audience. We agree on that much. (Most of the userbase growth is going to Nintendo, as the dominant/casual console, just like in all gens.)

But what does that have to do with whether the 360 is getting (or going to get) its ass kicked by the PS3? If the 360 steals some of the PS2's audience away from the PS3, but the PS3 still inherits way more than that amount, the PS3 is still beating the 360.

It reminds me of the common urge to "throw good money after bad" when sunk costs are involved. Obviously this is a very different situation but it reminds me of that.

As for the final portion of the OP, I don't think the profitability of MS (or Sony) was in DMeisterJ's mind when he made that thread. The question was whether this was the end of the 360's hardware sales dominance in NA, and therefore a sign of things to come. I doubt that "beginning of the end" was meant to equate to "beginning to die" like so many people presumed. I saw it as merely what one person described as the "point of no return" -- a high water mark from which the 360 will recede and eventually fade away. (...While the PS3 still has a brighter future ahead, of course, in his analysis.)

Maybe not. Maybe DMeisterJ meant the more dramatic interpretation after all. But either way he was talking about the future of 360 HW sales, not SW sales, unless he redacted parts of the OP.

starcrafts alt?

it's pretty clear that the 360 is at a stalemate for sales, there is clearly nothing they can do in Japan, in EU they cut the price and it did nothing, the US is the only market where the 360 can actually make some headway, and that would be accomplished by cutting the price, but that hasn't happened and may not happen for a while looking at their last financial report.

and truth be told, the 360 may have some good games this year, but it has VERY few system sellers.

the PS3 on the other hand, can cut the price in japan, make a slimline version, reintroduce BC, make new colors. In EU they can cut the price, bundle with EU centric games (like GT5:P), and in america they can do the same.

all of these will provide huge boosts for the PS3, especially considering that is outselling the 360 RIGHT NOW despite being at a higher price point. thus, larger gains in sales will be seen from price cuts on the PS3 compared to the 360 (except maybe in the US)

and contrary to the 360, the PS3 actually has system sellers this year.

all of these reasons and more why the "well the difference is x now so it will take x weeks to catch up" is the worst argument in the history of the internet.