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ZenfoldorVGI on 07 May 2008
ssj12 said:
The PS3 will no doubt reach 2nd place. 1st place, now thats a long shot in the dark.

lol, well, if it does manage to stick around for 10 years, it could creep near or in first place assuming Nintendo moves on in 5 years.

 

However, I kinda doubt it. :P



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Desroko on 07 May 2008

I don't believe that the PS3 or the 360 will be able to muster much casual support at all, anymore than the Xbox or GameCube were able to. Is a casual gamer likely to buy more than one console? The example of the previous generation would seem to indicate "No."

And the X-mote is DOA, as far as this generation is concerned. Too late.



Aj_habfan on 07 May 2008

Woooo, 10 year plan, good to be back.

As long as they strive for PS3 to beat Wii, not just talk and do jack shit.



Imperial on 07 May 2008
Viper1 said:
Imperial said:
I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.

Welcome to the community.

 

Are you familiar with Nintendo's disruption strategy? Think of the gaming market like a pool with a shallow end and a deep end. MS and Sony dove head first into the deep end but not everyone jumped in with them. Nintendo waded into the shallow end and had a lot of people follow (from casuals to hardcore).

The plan is to work their way up the complexity level (moving into deeper waters) via 3rd parties which at E3 you'll see the beginning of this happening.

In a couple of years time, the complexity spectrum on Wii will be from one end of the pool to the other so they won't be concentrating on just one target market.

 

As for Kaz, sounds like he inhereited more than just a title from KK.

 


 

Thank for the welcome but i'm not new , just the "lost password" function isn't working for me :(.

If you saying what I think your saying then I agree , I think the future of the Wii lies hugely in the hands  of the third party developer and with the cost's of developing on the Wii in comparison to the PS3/360 i'm pretty sure the third party developers have no problem with supporting the Wii till the end of this generation.

I was put of by the idea of Nintendo relying on 3rd party support later on in this gen because of some Nintendo fanboy's crying about how 1st party exclusives would carry the Wii until the end of this generation. 



johnsobas on 07 May 2008
Imperial said:
Garcian Smith said:
Imperial said:
I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.

They've already successfully relied on the "casual market" for almost 4 years now with the DS. What makes you think that that situation will change in the foreseeable future?


 

Firstly using the DS as proof of the Wii's ability to stand the test of time is understandable but at the same time not valid , they are in completley different situations , the DS has something to offer which it's only competitor (the PSP) can't offer .

The Wii only apears to be able to offer the things Nintendo boast it can do , Motion Sensing etc. I think the Wii is more at threat than the DS is because of the strength of the competition they are facing , Sony & M&S are reducing their price points , making their consoles more suitable to the casual market through software and the implementation of new hardware (X-Mote etc).

It would be interesting to see how well the Wii would fare against a similarly priced PS3/XBOX360 with strong casual support , I don't think it would do half as well as it is now but then that could be 4-5 years away.

To be honest I don't know the future of the Wii , if the present is anything to go by then the Wii will do great but because of the nature of their core demographics , I don't think Nintendo should expect Casual support for the next 5-7 years without alot of effort on their part . It seems to me that Nintendo have played all their major cards ( Wii-Fit , SSBB , SMG etc ) it will be interesting to see what they'll do with the rest of the gen.

 

 


 And why do you expect all these casuals to jump on board the PS3 all the sudden?  The casuals will go to the console winner not the distant 2rd place console.  I'm pretty sure Wii has about as big of a casual userbase as the PS3 will ever have in its lifetime, and it's just going to continue to grow and grow.  The PS3's library will never compare in casual games and the appeal is simply not there.  Sony failed to differentiate themselves and it shows.  Just because something gets cheap doesn't mean casuals will buy it at all.



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Viper1 on 07 May 2008
Aj_habfan said:
Woooo, 10 year plan, good to be back.

As long as they strive for PS3 to beat Wii, not just talk and do jack shit.

 Like Sky Render said, Sony formualted the 10 year plan back when they expected to jump out of the gate and stomp both Nintendo and MS in the mud from day 1.     Obviously that didn't happen.  A 10 year plan cannot happen without support from 3rd parties and a strong surge from the starting blocks.   Sony hasn't really gotten either like they did with the PS/PS2.

If they plan to hold the PS3 out on the market for 10 years with no new console, they will find themselves in a position of perpetual catch up.



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Magnific0 on 07 May 2008
Imperial said:
HappySqurriel said:

In my opinion, the PS3 is/will be in an awkward position ...

In 2011 the performance of hardware which will be able to be sold for $300 will be much greater than the PS3, and will be able to have all of the features included in the PS3 (and then some); all companies will be able to look at the limitations of the Wiimote, and will be able to come up with a user interface which combines the strenghts of the Wiimote with the strengths of conventional controllers; and first, second and third party developers will be able to look at what did and did not work on the Wii and produce games which are truely immersive.

In other words, in practically every way the PS3 will seem outdated to whatever Nintendo/Microsoft decide to release in 2011/2012.


 


By that Logic, the Xbox 360 should have ruled over PlayStation 2. But guess what? It did squat against it. Also, I'll fire this bullet too, if the Wii didn't exist (or had been less than half as popular) we would still be looking at a PS2-dominated market, make no mistake about that. PS2 is still 8 years old, outdated, and 1 year from now will still have very relevant sales. I'm not trying to assure PS3 will have the same kind of success that will prolong its life, it's still has a long way to go. I just wanted to point out why your logic is flawed.



Francis on 07 May 2008

@redspear

 The American flag with with Swastika stars. Didn't go down so well... As for Phil K. Dick, I'm a major fan too and I was also kinda disappointed with the book, however good it is. It felt like its premise was better than its execution. Anyway I'm checking out Penultimate Truth now. Good thus far.

 I should probably get back on topic, given that this is my own damned thread! I would literally be astonished if Sony didn't launch another console by 2012. Astonished. I imagine they plan on creating a similar situation to the one that exists now with PS2.

 

 



The_God_of_War on 07 May 2008

I like Kaz Hirai, he's a decent chap. And very confident, he really thinks Sony can win again. Can the PS3 ever beat the Wii? I personally wouldn't rule it out.

Anyway, here's a funny video of Kaz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elvad4k3y2s



  

Viper1 on 07 May 2008
Imperial said:
Viper1 said:
Imperial said:
I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.

Welcome to the community.

 

Are you familiar with Nintendo's disruption strategy? Think of the gaming market like a pool with a shallow end and a deep end. MS and Sony dove head first into the deep end but not everyone jumped in with them. Nintendo waded into the shallow end and had a lot of people follow (from casuals to hardcore).

The plan is to work their way up the complexity level (moving into deeper waters) via 3rd parties which at E3 you'll see the beginning of this happening.

In a couple of years time, the complexity spectrum on Wii will be from one end of the pool to the other so they won't be concentrating on just one target market.

 

As for Kaz, sounds like he inhereited more than just a title from KK.

 


 

Thank for the welcome but i'm not new , just the "lost password" function isn't working for me :(.

If you saying what I think your saying then I agree , I think the future of the Wii lies hugely in the hands  of the third party developer and with the cost's of developing on the Wii in comparison to the PS3/360 i'm pretty sure the third party developers have no problem with supporting the Wii till the end of this generation.

I was put of by the idea of Nintendo relying on 3rd party support later on in this gen because of some Nintendo fanboy's crying about how 1st party exclusives would carry the Wii until the end of this generation. 

Unfortunately even many vocal Wii fans fail to grasp what the distruption strategy encompases.

While you've downplayed the success of the DS as a barometer of Wii success, which I can understand, Nintendo themselves are using the 1st party to 3rd part sales ratio as a guide.  The first 2 years of the DS software sales were very much all Nintendo but it has been shown that 3rd parties now make up a majority of DS software sales.

 

The same strategy is in place with Wii and can already be seen if you chart software slaes for the first year with the past 6 months.  Thsi will continue as well with each year and already 3rd parties account for 60% of all Wii sales revenue.  

 

I agree that 1st party will still play a huge role in the years ahead but not to the degree it will carry the Wii themselves.  3rd parties, much like they did with PS and PS2, will do that for them.

 



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