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NIKOS_SE said:
Kasz216 said:
dabaus513 said:
Using discs instead of cartridges back in the early 90's wasnt innovative? Using discs that dont limit developers is not innovative? What has the 360 done to be innovative? Online, nope dreamcast had that first.

No using discs wasn't innovative. Plenty of people had did it befoer.

 


ps1 was the first console to use cd,if it wasn for sony back in late 90s we would still play games that used 64mb of memory and not games that used 650mb and games like mgs,crash,spyro,tomb raider,ff7,gt and a lot of others would never be created.....so yeah cd was quite an innovative idea


 no PS1 wasn't the first console to use CD, and it's not innovative at all.  Nintendo was going against the mold by using cartridges again, it wasn't that Sony was being innovative.  Everyone else wanted to use CDs except Nintendo.  This had a lot to do with pirating i'm sure, Nintendo has always been paranoid about it.  



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Who cares what buttons or features the console has, does it matter that much!

This is pointless, for example, you have a games console made by company A, then company B wants to make one, do you expect them to not use controllers, CD/DVD, Analog sticks lol!! Waste of bloody time!

Now... the real deal is to do with the games. I don't care how innovative a console is if it can't play any games!




LOLOLOLOL @ the people "welcoming such and such" to Sega CD or Sega Saturn xD Let's see, who do Sega CD and Sega Saturn welcome for the EXISTING TECHNOLOGY TO BEGIN WITH? Oh wait, thats right, SONY and PHILIPS say hi -_-;. Man this thread just gets better and better :D



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johnsobas said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
"Using discs instead of cartridges back in the early 90's wasnt innovative? Using discs that dont limit developers is not innovative?"

Sega Saturn would like a word with you.

 so would sega cd


 yep, Sega:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Mega-CD

The funny thing is Nintendo wanted to compete with this, so they contracted Sony to make them a CD device for there console. When Nintendo backed out of the deal, Sony was pissed, and already had designed most of the system, so they finished it on there own and called it a PlayStation.

The only reason Sony is in this market is because Nintendo backed out of a deal. Funny how things go in life. 



ToastyJaguar said:
yeah the recent posts about the un-originality of the 360 are annoying for those of us that have a 360.

What about achievments? this for many people is enough to sway them into buying the 360 version of a multi plat game. It's like a little meta-game and highlty addictive.

now sony is copying achievments with trophies!

I don't care, all the consoles are innovations of the previous versions, that's why there all so good.

 achievements aren't original at all. They are just glorified unlockables. All they are is external unlocks versus internal. People are just stupid and blinded by achievements versus playing the game to have fun.



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ChronotriggerJM said:
LOL man this thread is so full of Win :D

Lesse.

1.) Motion control was definitely thought out by Nintendo, but Sony's add on seems almost entirely different, and they serve almost entirely different uses. But sure, we'll go with your idea and say they were inspired by Nintendo.

2.) PSP welcomes you to the world of home buttons, in fact, it was even called "home" button on the PSP. Hitting this button while watching a movie or playing music, viewing pictures, on the internet, etc etc took you directly to the XMB, and hitting it while in game gave you the option to quit to the XMB. Sorry PSP innovation baby ;)

3.) Right, because online is an idea that had to be stolen /rolleyes. Hey how about this, if I'm older than you are, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you ripped off my idea of breathing. How dare you. Besides, think of all the companies that could benefit from an online store, does Sony ring a bell? Movies, music, games?

4.) Controller, Did you ever think that they did it because it ummm I dunno, worked? As far as I know Sony had 2 shoulder buttons before Nintendo ever did, they had the second analog stick before Nintendo ever did, they certainly had the home button before they did. I mean seriously, are we just going to assume that Nintendo and Microsoft ripped of Sony by including a second set of shoulder buttons? No, thats silly and ridiculous.

5.) Why god are you bringing the hardware into this? Nintendo used existing technology, Microsoft... used existing technology. At least the Cell is different -_-; And if they're under copyright infringement, so is IMB and Toshiba.

Soooo while were at making ridiculous claims lets throw a few of these in yah?

Sony popularized DVD media for games, therefore Nintendo and Microsoft must be ripping off.

Sony Popularized the use of Memory Cards, therefor, Nintendo, and Sega directly ripped off.

Sony's playstation 2 I believe was the first console to encourage movie playback on a video game system, making it an "entertainment system". Microsoft ripped off obviously.

As mentioned earlier, the popularization of a second analog stick, the built in rumble , and the addition of a home button I'm gonna have to throw Sony some bones here.

All in all, I don't care if they made or didn't make some of the technology out there, they are most certainly innovators for most electronic applications on the market of today, and if they took crappy ideas, and made them better, are we really arguing the innovation? N64's rumble pack sucked, Sony's d-pads are almost universally recognized as the best in the industry, and they did popularize so many things.

Ok first and foremost I will try not to be bias and fanboyish if that is even a word in my response.  Unlike yourself I do not really have a preference for a console and the point of this thread was not to exhibit negitive connotations to Sony but to use them as an example. (please refer to the two threads I posted in my inital posting)

The PSP "home" button serves a simular but different purpose to that of the 360.  The 360 does allow you to navigate back to the main menu like the PSP but also incorporates all the XBL functionality into it.  Agreed, the PSP did have a home button first and again, I will pass Sony on some credit for this. 

Sony popularized DVD for games.  DVD is a format sir and does not promote any innovation whatsoever.

Analog stick and rumble was copied no matter if it was built in or dual it was still a copy from Nintendo.  I am not sure what you are getting at.



    

ssj12 said:
ToastyJaguar said:
yeah the recent posts about the un-originality of the 360 are annoying for those of us that have a 360.

What about achievments? this for many people is enough to sway them into buying the 360 version of a multi plat game. It's like a little meta-game and highlty addictive.

now sony is copying achievments with trophies!

I don't care, all the consoles are innovations of the previous versions, that's why there all so good.

achievements aren't original at all. They are just glorified unlockables. All they are is external unlocks versus internal. People are just stupid and blinded by achievements versus playing the game to have fun.


I'm not stupid nor blinded...

I think achievments are one of the biggest console gaming innovations this gen. Go ask owners of ps3 and 360's which version they would rather play. Most of the time it is the 360 version for achievments as they add more fun to games and allow gamers to do stuff in a game they normally wouldn't do.

 




Gamer1211 said:

Recently, I came across two threads which directly stated that Sony and Nintendo are innovators this generation and that Microsoft is the most unoriginal console manufacturer. 

 

Now, I will agree whole heartedly that Nintendo has proven time and time again that they are gaming innovators, however, I wanted to shed some light on Sony and why I feel that a few fanboy’s are confusing fact with fiction.

 

Now I am not here to say that Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft are in anyway the most honourable companies in the world but I am here to display some facts about Sony.

 

1.       SIXAXIS: 

Where did that come from?  Was that not a direct copy of Nintendo’s motion sensing concept?  Sony fanboy’s are currently bashing Microsoft about a possible rumour for their own motion sensing control but neglect to look at their beloved console manufacturer.  

Ya, and Nintendo copied off of Atari's motion sensing controlers and the PowerGlove.

 

2.       Home Button on Controller:

Was this not Microsoft’s concept?  Didn’t the XBOX 360 come out 1 year earlier then the PS3 and had a home button incorporated into it?  Wasn’t the PS3’s original controller design scrapped several months prior to its release and redesigned to incorporate the home and SIXAXIS control?

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/22/sony-confirms-ps3-controller-redesign/

Most entertainment centers have home buttons on them. ITs not an original idea from M$ at all.

 

3.       Online:

What do you think the PSN Store was based off of?  Did Sony simply dream that one up one day or did they see something that was working and copied it?  What about their upcoming Home product, why do you think they are incorporating achievements and messaging into it?  Even if you look at the idea of online, do you think that they would have even attempted online console game play if it wasn’t for Microsoft?  XBL came out in 2002 when did PSN come out?  Microsoft invested roughly 2 billion developing the XBL technology from scratch, what did Sony have to invest in R&D?

Source: http://www.news.com/2100-1040-949489.html

Sega had online way before M$.  And Sony also did before M$.

 

4.       Controller History relating to #1:

The D-PAD, didn’t Nintendo invent the D-PAD?  Shoulder buttons, didn’t Nintendo invent the shoulder button concept?  Do you recall the N64 rumble pack; I wonder where Sony got the rumble idea?  How about Analog, was Nintendo not the one who developed this concept? (Nintendo had a controller with 1 analog and Sony created a controller with 2 analogs)      

 Rumble Pack = trash and everyone knows it was, analog sticks was created in arcades, and the D-Pad has been around longer then the NES was.

 

5.       Isn’t Sony still under investigation for stealing CELL technology? (note still alleged and still in court, settlement will probably be reached at some point)

 

To quote, “The company claims Sony's cell chip infringes on a patent it received in 1991 that gave it rights to technology that governs "synchronized parallel processing with shared memory." Parallel is asking the court to impound and destroy any Sony product that infringes on its technology, as well as damages and attorney fees. Sony has declined to comment on the matter.”

Source: http://www.betanews.com/article/Sony_Sued_Over_PS3_Cell_Chip_Technology/1185892521

 

Now I am not trying to put Sony out and say that both Nintendo and Microsoft are free from examination, but I am trying to prove a point.  It is my opinion that the PS3 is not a “gaming innovation” by any means but again, this is my opinion and do not feel like getting into a pissing match to attempt to prove my point. 

This is to simply point out that Sony is not a good selection to attempt to discuss innovation with.  Nintendo has been in the gaming business since day 1 and I am happy that they are receiving their due.  They have come out on several occasions and have made accusation towards Sony.  I highly doubt that any company would promote a business practice such as this if they did not have a valid basis to do so. 

Edit: Not since day 1 but you no what I mean.

 Patent sharks, IBM should have had the patents way longer.

Source: http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/sony-we-didnt-steal-nintendos-idea-177317.php


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ToastyJaguar said:
ssj12 said:
ToastyJaguar said:
yeah the recent posts about the un-originality of the 360 are annoying for those of us that have a 360.

What about achievments? this for many people is enough to sway them into buying the 360 version of a multi plat game. It's like a little meta-game and highlty addictive.

now sony is copying achievments with trophies!

I don't care, all the consoles are innovations of the previous versions, that's why there all so good.

achievements aren't original at all. They are just glorified unlockables. All they are is external unlocks versus internal. People are just stupid and blinded by achievements versus playing the game to have fun.


I'm not stupid nor blinded...

I think achievments are one of the biggest console gaming innovations this gen. Go ask owners of ps3 and 360's which version they would rather play. Most of the time it is the 360 version for achievments as they add more fun to games and allow gamers to do stuff in a game they normally wouldn't do.

 


 ITs not becasue of the achievements, it's because the PS3 has garbage ports.



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I edited the article somewhat. Please note that this was not a shot at Sony as I stated in the original article. I am sorry if you took it that way.