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200+ Wii games here...3~ are fun

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wareagle372 said:

When i started playing videogames around 1995, i got a Gameboy Pocket and i loved it. The next year, I got a N64(which is my favorite console of all time) and enjoyed the wide range of games, and great games for kids that even adults can't help but enjoy. The Gamecube came out and I wasn't impressed with the range of games. I thought that it was just a bad generation so I waited for the next generation in hopes for a better range of games. The Wii came out and i have to admit that it is incredibly fun to use the motion sensors...for about a month. I still enjoyed the motion sensors but it wasn't INCREDIBLE to me. They have some great games like SSBB, SMG, TP, but some games that sold over a million really just blow my mind like that Carnival game...I'm sure its fun, but come on!!! They are commited to these more childlike games than people my age(17) and above. I doubt they are going to go back to making satisfying shooter games(Metroid Prime is ok, but it comes out once like every 3 years and i am not going to wait that long). So saying all this, I think that Nintendo is not for me.


It's because you are at that age that you are "Too Adult" for Nintendo. Wait a few years. Then you'll be past being too adult and enjoy Nintendo again.



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The big issue Wii will be facing is that same one that brought down the Atari 2600 in its time, the difference is that Nintendo can do something about it whereas Atari coudn't.

Big install base + low development costs = potentially lots of games coming out for the Wii. The issue being that there is actually such a thing as too many games.( average quality go down, customer gets lost among so many titles, good games make less profit..)

What Nintendo needs to do is strenghten their QA and watch more carefully which games they certify. This is not yet an issue on the Wiii, this is starting to be a serious issue for the DS ( seriously how many copies of Brain training are they gonna release ?).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Well the good news is Nintendo consoles have always been cheep. Just buy one for the games you like, and get something else for the games you are starting to enjoy more.

No one said you have to own only one :)



Poorly worded but I get where this guy is coming from. Nintendo rehashes franchises and, news flash, hardcore gamers are the absolutely last thing on nintendo's mind, expect for every Twilight Princess or Metroid Prime there will be a dozen wii plays, brain trainings & Crosswords DS, you can't blame Nintendo as they are a business and appealing to non/casual gamers is the best way to conduct thier business. Just don't expect games like Bioshock, GTA IV, FFXIII or MGS4 ever to appear on Wii.



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Really it's a matter of taste and stupid to argue about. Problem is the poster has the same issue many of these thread starters do. He is maybe having a hard time vocalizing what it is about Nintendo he no longer finds appealing, made a weak argument, and is therefore open to endless attack by those who have a different opinion.

That said here's my attempt at a weak argument in the form of a list of my own issues with Nintendo. Fee free to analysis and tear me apart for them.

1. They Cannibalize third party sales and therefore ensure weak third party support (not by volume but by quality)

2. Due to this, the overall volume of quality software is relatively low forcing Everyday gamers spend their time waiting for big Nintendo games to come out a few times a year or to buy another system to fill the gap.

3. Complete lack of third party ports this generation. If you only own a Wii you are going to miss out on a lot of great games this round.

4. Delayed games- delaying games so they don't bite into each others sales is
a good business plan but it's stupid how Nintendo will always announces release dates and then always delays them for this obvious reason but say it's for quality purposes

5. Willingness to sell what is essentially a game cube with a new controller for $250. For $250 we really should be getting better hardware and graphics than a 5-7 year old system (how about DVD play back or some real storage space).

5. Unable/unwilling to provide first party titles for any one system that last more than a few years before going into a downward cycle of Mario baseball, tennis, break dancing, Frisbee golf, knitting, accounting BS

6. Unwillingness to create or bring back franchises that their fans ask for while repeating the same franchises over and over (If they are listining to us and what we want we should have 5 Kid Icarus Games already and can I have a damned next gen 2D Metroid please?)

7. Overpriced licencing fees

8. Lack of quality online service

9. Refusal to make games that aren't pastel.

10. lack of complex story driven games or games with narrative structures beyond "he he" and "ha ha"

Don't get me wrong. I do LOVE Nintendo. We've been childhood sweat hearts since the NES. I just wish they would be willing to look at their flaws and fix some of these things so I could be IN LOVE with them again (the way it used to be before they started cheating on me with that casual guy, girl, mom, grandma, and everyone else on the planet, SLUT.)



misterd said:
wareagle372 said:

I doubt they are going to go back to making satisfying shooter games(Metroid Prime is ok, but it comes out once like every 3 years and i am not going to wait that long).

By and large, Nintendo hasn't ever made "shooter" games. The ones for which it is most known - Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Metroid Prime - are 2nd party developers; ie, technically not Nintendo. But with games like MP3, RE4, RE:UC, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, and others, the shooters will get representation. It is simply taking developers time to catch up.



 AFAIK, Metroid Prime is first party considering Nintendo actually owns Retro Studios.



1. They Cannibalize third party sales and therefore ensure weak third party support (not by volume but by quality)

I disagree, third party support is fine for the moment, developers just arent putting thier weight behind Wii, in a couple of years it could be the wii, not the 360 getting games like Bioshock (although i personally doubt it). In time however, this should be a self fixing problem as deveolopers get more accosutomed to the remote and fully exploit the system leading to higher quality third party titles which will be sucessful sales-wise.

2. Due to this, the overall volume of quality software is relatively low forcing Everyday gamers spend their time waiting for big Nintendo games to come out a few times a year or to buy another system to fill the gap.

I agree with this, there is often a couple of months of great games (march/april = brawl, mario kart, wii fit) but then nothing for another 2-4 months. Hopefully Nintendo will remedy this by simply better staggering thier releases.

3. Complete lack of third party ports this generation. If you only own a Wii you are going to miss out on a lot of great games this round.

Agree here, games on 360/PS3 are technically impossible to replicate on Wii, this should've insured unquie enjoyable experineces but instead means titles like MGS4, FFXIII, GTA IV, RE5 will never happen and Wii owners will miss out, unless they want stripped down ports.

4. Delayed games- delaying games so they don't bite into each others sales is
a good business plan but it's stupid how Nintendo will always announces release dates and then always delays them for this obvious reason but say it's for quality purposes

Sometimes they do get delayed for quality sometimes to not cannabilize, the problem is if they didn't announce games then they would get ripped by analysts, fans, gamers etc so they need to announce things, they need to show a strong software line-up to convince people to buy the console and keepdemand high. Its unfortunate but its something we're gonna have to live with that you can't entirely blame Nintendo for, if people would just show some paitence.

5. Willingness to sell what is essentially a game cube with a new controller for $250. For $250 we really should be getting better hardware and graphics than a 5-7 year old system (how about DVD play back or some real storage space).

5. Unable/unwilling to provide first party titles for any one system that last more than a few years before going into a downward cycle of Mario baseball, tennis, break dancing, Frisbee golf, knitting, accounting BS

6. Unwillingness to create or bring back franchises that their fans ask for while repeating the same franchises over and over (If they are listining to us and what we want we should have 5 Kid Icarus Games already and can I have a damned next gen 2D Metroid please?)

7. Overpriced licencing fees

Is this still a problem, games like cooking mama and carnival games surely wouldn't beon Wii if licensing fee's are still high, can anyone shed any light on this?

8. Lack of quality online service

Agree here, but this is Nintendo's first real foray, they won't do an xbox live right off the bat, it will improve substantially over the next few years as Nintendo tweak the interface, improve performance, add new content etc.

9. Refusal to make games that aren't pastel.

Not sure about this, Disiaster Day of Crises, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, a few third party ttiles would disgaree, I think, the majority of Nintendo's games just work with a pastel style, I doubt mario would look good (and I doubt fans would be very happy) if SMG or MK:Wii had life-like graphics. They don't refuse, their games just work better with.

10. lack of complex story driven games or games with narrative structures beyond "he he" and "ha ha"


 



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Rock_on_2008 said:
We all out grow Nintendo. Nintendo has great library of video games for kids. Time to move on and buy a PS3 or upgrade your PC.

 QFT.

 

 25 million Wii owners must all be babies or new owners who haven't seen the light yet.



radioioRobert said:
FJ-Warez said: Because Nintendo is destroying the industry allowing the devs to launch crappy games...

FJ-Warez, you are right, he would complain either way. The winning console gets the bonus of getting the most shovelware. Every generation.

Um, did Sony "destroy" the industry by allowing Winnie to Pooh, Rugrats & Bob the Builder games on the Playstation? Or: 

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
MTV Sports: T.J. Lavin's Ultimate BMX
Treasure Planet
Disney's Dinosaur
ECW: Anarchy Rulz!
Jeremy McGrath Supercross
Countdown: Vampires
Simpsons Wrestling
Powerpuff Girls: Chemical X-Traction
Hooters Road Trip
Disney's The Lion King: Simba's Mighty Adventure
KISS Pinball

Or how about this list of "Stellar" PS2 titles:  

Blade II
Power Rangers: Dino Thunder
Get On Da Mic
Monster 4x4: Masters of Metal
The Guy Game
Beat Down: Fists of Vengeance
Strike Force Bowling
Scorpion King: Rise of the Akkadian
Predator: Concrete Jungle
50 Cent: Bulletproof
My Street
Catwoman
Lowrider
Superman Returns: The Videogame
Surfing H30
Powerpuff Girls: Relish Rampage
Backyard Wrestling 2: There Goes the Neighborhood
Arctic Thunder
The Mummy Return
State of Emergency 2
Jonny Moseley Mad Trix
Let's Make a Soccer Team!
Evolution Skateboarding
Made Man
Final Fight: Streetwise
Sopranos: Road to Respect
Cheggers' Party Quiz
Star Trek: Shattered Universe
RealPlay Golf
Butt-Ugly Martians: Zoom or Doom!
American Idol
Urban Freestyle Soccer
Zatch Bell!: Mamodo Fury
Backyard Baseball
Army Men: Green Rogue
25 to Life
Cartoon Network Racing
Driven
Godzilla: Unleashed
GT-R 400
Simpsons Skateboarding
Looney Tunes: Acme Arsenal
Evolution Snowboarding
Spy vs. Spy
Aqua Teen Hunger Force Zombie Ninja Pro-Am
Shield
Pimp My Ride
Bad Boys II: Miami Takedown
Paris-Dakar Rally
Fight Club
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Jeremy McGrath Supercross World
McFarlane's Evil Prophecy
Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing
Frogger: The Great Quest
MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch
Antz Extreme Racing
Transformers Tataki
Crazy Frog Racer 2
Miami Vice 2004
Knight Rider 2
Earache Extreme Metal Racing
RealPlay Racing
Gravity Games Bike: Street. Vert. Dirt
Little Britain: The Video Game

EVERY console gets shovelware, and the winning console gets the most.... 

 


By the time the PS2 had all the games on your list out, the masterpieces and great games outweighted the shovelware by far. Not the same with the Wii, regrettably.