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Staude on 04 May 2008
Onyxmeth said:
FaRmLaNd said:

If Microsoft hadn't pushed online capabilities you'd have no wii ware, or psn at this stage. Maybe later but not yet. No Microsoft don't innovate at all... Look at how tacked on online was last generation compared to live.

Also you can't say Microsoft in anti-competitive when they're in competition with two companies just as bad. Read some Nintendo or Sony history first. All 3 of them are ruthless.

BTW Bungie was a mac based company, not windows.

This is exactly what I was going to write on the subject. You can thank Microsoft for the Playstation Network and the Wii's online service. Microsoft makes them push harder and harder to catch up. If you don't think Wii-Ware is as blatant a copy of Xbox Live Arcade as the X-Mote is to the Wii-mote then you're blind.

You want to know why Gran Turismo is making such a huge leap forward with GT5? It's because Forza 1+2 trumped GT4 in every way and Sony is now playing catch up on their premiere racing title.

You can also thank Microsoft for having the first hard drive in a console and the first to give us in game soundtracks of our own music.

 


 Sony had a chat program (textbased) planned for the first playstation :o they just never got around to finishing it. They did have it up and running though.

That is already online plans right there. 



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FaRmLaNd on 04 May 2008

An "online plan" is not the same as a fully fledged system.



NintendoMan on 04 May 2008

To be fair ms offered some fantastic games to gamers and lead the way for online gaming. They may be unoriginal and now where near making back their $4 billion loss but they're still useful to have around. Keeps Sony/Nintendo on their toes.



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Chrizum on 04 May 2008
rasone77 said:
Anyone remember the Genesis?

That was a really sweet system that entered the race well before Nintendo and had a clear lead in the console war. Then Nintendo pushed out some heavy hitters, (Donkey Kong Country in particualr) that showed how much better their hardware and therefore their software was by comparison.

So what did Sega do to counteract this? They released two garbage peripherals (Sega CD, and 32x) that were designed to make the Genesis seem more powerful.

The problem was they inadvertantly reinforced that the SNES was better out of the box because it didn't need 4 or 5 hundred dollars worth of add ons to compete. Thus the console war was lost by Sega (not to mention the Millions of dollars wasted developing the two failures) when they could have done much better just sticking to their guns and holding out for the next generation.


I can see MS fucking up big time here if they don't stick to their guns. With all the newbie gamers coming into the hobby I can see many of them turning their nose at the system just because it would look like they have to buy extra stuff that competitors already offer for free with the console in order to get the best gaming experience.


This.



jake_the_fake1 on 04 May 2008

why all the 360 hating, did it rape your mother in the butt? o.0



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psrock on 04 May 2008

give some exemples on how Nintendo and Sony are so original.



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Leni on 04 May 2008

that's why i never buy a MS game console....



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jkimball on 04 May 2008

An obscene excess of cash has allowed Microsoft to wreak havoc in an otherwise well balanced oligopy. By creating artificial competition within the group (HD vs HD) where a free market would not have had competition, the quality ("earnings") of each party is negatively affected.

IN other words, from an economics point of view, I pretty much agree with OP.

Not only did they lost 4B of their own money, the are also somewhat responsible (in the macroecononomic model) for much of Sony's loss. And they will continue to be responsible for HD games being released that don't take full advantage of either platform.

Imagine if one day Microsoft decided to start making automobiles. They would be poorly made, subject to stalling, parts falling off etc. But the they would only be $1000USD brand new. People would put up with the crappy quality for such a cheap price. Microsoft would lose billions and billions attempting to build market share. And next years model would also lose billions but have a higher market share so be considered a 'success'). But what happened to the rest of the automobile industry...ford, opel, holden, peugout etc ALL lose billions as well. Quality goes down across the board, accessories makers switch to the MSFT brand, etc...



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darthdevidem01 on 04 May 2008

I somewhat agree with the OP

Rasone77's post was awesome..



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Onyxmeth on 04 May 2008
jkimball said:
An obscene excess of cash has allowed Microsoft to wreak havoc in an otherwise well balanced oligopy. By creating artificial competition within the group (HD vs HD) where a free market would not have had competition, the quality ("earnings") of each party is negatively affected.

IN other words, from an economics point of view, I pretty much agree with OP.

Not only did they lost 4B of their own money, the are also somewhat responsible (in the macroecononomic model) for much of Sony's loss. And they will continue to be responsible for HD games being released that don't take full advantage of either platform.

Imagine if one day Microsoft decided to start making automobiles. They would be poorly made, subject to stalling, parts falling off etc. But the they would only be $1000USD brand new. People would put up with the crappy quality for such a cheap price. Microsoft would lose billions and billions attempting to build market share. And next years model would also lose billions but have a higher market share so be considered a 'success'). But what happened to the rest of the automobile industry...ford, opel, holden, peugout etc ALL lose billions as well. Quality goes down across the board, accessories makers switch to the MSFT brand, etc...
The same could be said about Sony entering the market against Sega and Nintendo. Sony and Sega fought a battle for CD-based gaming support and Sony came out on top by selling their console for a loss, killing Sega's market share. Now I know what someone's going to say. Sega caved because of bad management. Yes they did but I can easily say that about Sony management coming into this console generation.

 



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