Join the club right here folks, this is the anti-GTA4 thread. You hereby state to have never played the game (or have) yet have a constructive arguments as to why this is probably already the most overrated game ever created.

Here are my first points, you can judge and/or adjust them.

Why no game is perfect.

Nothing is perfect in this world. Not humans, not robots, not cellphones, not even movies (music in my opinion comes the closest to perfection). So why are game reviewers rating it as something perfect? Isn't perfection a synonym for groundbreaking? If so, what is so groundbreaking about a sequel? Sure there are dozens of new things and expanded missions/goals added to the game, but the core elements still exist. This solid series of games have taken over the masses as a product everybody wants. Not because it's extremely fun or groundbreaking, but because it comes close to reality (explains why The Sims is a best seller as well). People like replaying reality, playing the bad guy, but mainly because you are the centerpoint of attention.

People are missing the true goal of gaming : F.U.N

Back in the early days when games were still about fun and not about graphics, people agreed on the fact the mario games were groundbreaking. A lot of developers tried to copy the core elements, but often failed in making it a succesfull thing. Exceptions are developers like Sega who turned Sonic into a second phenomenon. Nevertheless, it was all about fun. in fact, people played (and are still playing) games to ESCAPE reality. So why do we want to play reality now, aren't developers nowadays missing the whole point?

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I'll add more as soon as i get back from work. Feel free to post trollish and/or constructive things.

Honestly, the cell phone is pretty innovative. It not only adds freedom to the game but it also retains immersion, which makes it particularly impressive.

Pretty much everything else I have experienced thus far has been done in multiple WRPGs... I guess it's slightly innovative to add it to a sandbox game. Still, overall, it's not that amazing. The online mode is great but I hesitate to call it innovative if you include games outside the genre (and even Crackdown had some elements of it, though GTA is miles ahead of CD online).

Overall, it's a really polished game that moves the genre forward considerably. Innovative? A little. But it's not nearly as innovative as GTA III, a game that really threw the industry on its head and has been copied by every sandbox game made since that time. That's innovation.

GTA4 has more threads than Brawl (though Brawl ate its way into a lot of threads...hehe).  SMG and Halo 3 were far smaller in terms thread spam.

I'm just tired of coming into the gaming forum and seeing the top 8 threads on GTA4 especially when there's a sticky for GTA4 which should be causing all of them to be locked.